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 Post subject: Re: CAVCON Meter
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:20 am 
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In the past, Cyan has refused to share the exact server cots. I can't remember why.


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 Post subject: Re: CAVCON Meter
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:03 pm 
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For many reasons, but partly because it could influence how people donate, e.g. trying to donate more that they can realistically afford. Also, the server cost varies depending on usage, but the overall cost is more than just the server leasing - Support need to book time that they spend on MOULa rather than "paying work" (so consider that e.g. asking Cyan Support to do trivial things for your own pet project might adversely affect CAVCON for everyone).

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:12 pm 
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Mac_Fife wrote:
Support need to book time that they spend on MOULa rather than "paying work".

So giving the dollar figures for this, may hint at the salary of Cyan employees, this would be a privacy issue.

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so consider that e.g. asking Cyan Support to do trivial things for your own pet project might adversely affect CAVCON for everyone.

This is something we need to keep in mind.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:07 am 
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Mac_Fife wrote:
For many reasons, but partly because it could influence how people donate, e.g. trying to donate more that they can realistically afford. Also, the server cost varies depending on usage, but the overall cost is more than just the server leasing - Support need to book time that they spend on MOULa rather than "paying work" (so consider that e.g. asking Cyan Support to do trivial things for your own pet project might adversely affect CAVCON for everyone).


If donations are high enough there could be enough to cover employee wages that are lost due to working on Moula. But as they are not saying then we'll never know.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:11 pm 
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I think you may be missing some of what I'm saying. It is a known fact that some of the CAVCON donation fund is necessarily used to cover the time that Cyan employees spend supporting MOULa, not a hypothesis. That was the reason that new account creation was closed down for an extended period: Support was spending an unsustainable amount of time dealing with bogus/malicious accounts (I was in discussion with Cyan on the subject at that time and know exactly how much time was involved).

So, if CAVCON is in a state that is not giving Tony concern, then it is reasonable to infer that donations are sufficient to cover the server running costs and associated personnel costs.

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