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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:59 am 
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One of the really cool things about SWG was the bazaar system. It was almost like having an ingame version of ebay which you could browse about looking for bargains.

Although we have no items to buy and sell in URU, perhaps we could have a forum accessable through our KI? Maybe simply access to these official forums.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:21 am 
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or through the imagers.

I think this is a good idea, but I think it would grind the server to a crawl/halt.

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how so? You wont be sending all youre requests through the live servers, so the speed ithe pages loadwould be dependant on how much bandwidth you have.

I'm working on this in the Interfacec Overhaul thread BTW. There's a "Browser" tab shown in one of the pic's I posted (As in "Web Browser" :wink: )

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In one of the Town Halls, Moke said:

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Postings and a readerboard system are being worked on so that news can be found right in the Neighborhoods.


We can't jump to conclusions but I'm seeing that as a forum-style interface right in the 'hoods.


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Back during Prologue, I thought it would be a cool idea to have the DRC website and forums accessible through the imager in the hood classroom.


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I don't think it would grind the server to a crawl/halt because you have to be online to play the game.

If they made an in-game forum or message board, it would make sense to me if they stored the information online in a separate place and not on the actual server used for the game.

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The best way would be to build a web browsers into the server so no content needs to be handled by the server. Of course that would be a little bit of work. lol

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From PotS, we know that they have an HTML Parser (because the Personal Journal stores the text as HTML).

So they just need to point it to a server and find a cool way of rendering it.


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It's more clever to use XML in this case...


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XML is rather a bit too vague for the requirements of a browser when HTML already works just fine (and if you want to be strict about it, just require XHTML Strict 1.0 adherence). XML is better for data storage and such, and can be styled for display just fine, but if XHTML+CSS already works (which it does), I don't see why the system should be revamped to work with something that's less useful...

Forum software that runs online already outputs data as HTML, and if you're lucky, it's XHTML compliant... unless the plan is to write their own "forum" software to interface with, it'd be easier to just strip down a skin for phpbb or whatever and tie it to a built-in browser. There's limited in-game HTML parsing capabilities already... PotS parses <br /> tags and a few specialized tags for journal display (including your own), and EoA parses <br /> and <img /> tags for the journal. Expanding the number of allowed tags and connecting the thing to a server shouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility, and if things are done in just HTML, there's the possibility of an entire "network" of interlinked pages that can be stored online for guild websites, DRC stuff, etc. I don't think access to the WWW in general would be a good idea (and not including an address bar would be a good way to prevent that), because I don't think the KI operates on an 802.11g wireless standard, but it would make sense for the D'ni to use the KI and the GZ technologies to create something similar... perhaps overseen by the Guild of Messengers, who would no doubt want to retain some purpose in the increasingly "wired" D'ni society.

It's not really even unheard of for this sort of stuff to be in an MMO. EVE Online uses an almost identical system to the one I've seen a number of people propose, and it utilizes an HTML 2.0 standard, so you can use image tags, font tags, tables, and a little bit of formatting without going completely overboard. Of course, it's directly tied into the WWW and you can type in pretty much any address you want in the address bar, which is a bit odd when you consider the location and time frame the game is supposed to be taking place in ;).


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'There' uses that to a great extent and it works really well. On the other hand a good deal of the game is totally centered around it, so it make sense they have a good system. They must have spent quite some time getting it ready.


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But if the KI was to have a built in browser, would they use Firefox as the base, or would they make a new one of their own?(And I know you'll all appreciate that Firefox is the most standard compliant.)

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lego_addict wrote:
But if the KI was to have a built in browser, would they use Firefox as the base, or would they make a new one of their own?(And I know you'll all appreciate that Firefox is the most standard compliant.)


My best bet if built in web browser functionality was added, it would be expanded from the stuff they have used for the journals.

But last time i looked opera was the nearest to reaching standards.

Firefox is built on the mozilla core that way back when ... was funded by netscape.

Check out sea monkey as firefox was branched from that a long time ago now.

Strange how firefox looks like opera don't you think ?


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About Browsers:
You'll notice that if you browse to this page [http://thelair-underground.com/index.php?id=dls] in IE or Opera, the formatiing is as I designed it to be (Well, in IE it doesn't support transparrancy and puts borders on images). If you, however, browse to it in Firefox, the formatting is compacted and altered.

This, I think, shows that Firefox doesn't obay the web standards correctly, where as IE and Opera do.

Please correct me if necessary.

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Ooh, if Live had a built-in web browser, I would have absolutely no reason
to ever stop playing.


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