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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Alright, I was hanging out in Kirel yesterday talking with some of the esteemed members of the Messenger Guild. I asked GoMeLeonardo if he knew how the D'ni expressed fractions. He said he'd never seen on in game and this got me thinking.

Given that the D'ni were accomplished builders, machinists, and scientists. I think it's safe to assume that they had to at least of had a good grasp of Pi. Also considering the fascination with five fold symmetry, perhaps an understanding of the lesser known but ever present Phi? Even the guild of Caterers! How did they say "You need 1 and 5/25th C'ups of Teledahn Spore Flour." Did they write everything out? If so that seems terribly inefficient for accomplished thinkers like themselves.

I think it'd be spectacular if anything survived that would illustrate D'ni mathematical operations. If they even existed. Perhaps they only used numbers to record sums and used a mental discipline to perform calcuations in their heads? Like Vedic Mathematics or the Trachtenberg system?

Any information in this area would be of great historic and personal interest!

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Great question. Someone else asked me about the spheres and columns IC, and about the tools they used. Maybe someone has more info to share about these aspects of construction by the D'Ni.

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Glad I'm not the only one who craves the knowledge of D'ni mathematics.

We were even talking yesterday about possible methods the D'ni learned their arithmetic and higher math. Whether it was through a childhood education system. (I recall reading in the chronicles of the kings information about reforms.) or whether guilds equipped their members with the knowledge and skills particular to their discipline.

Seeing as there are no "Guild of Mathematicians" I'm assuming that this -must- have been the case.

Unless there is archaelogical data that the DRC did not disclose.

To the Guild Halls!

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Good grief. I have trouble grasping the maths I have to use everyday without torturing my brain learning something that's probably divisible by 5 and comes written in little boxes. :shock:


/me wanders off to find an easier thread....

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RAWA as keeper of D'ni lore would be a good place to ask. Also the Archivist Guild they have a site and lots of lore....

dig dig, and you may just get lucky...

this is a very interesting site:

http://staticfree.info/dni.xhtml

here is more...

http://dni.wikia.com/wiki/D%27ni_Numerals

Decimals are fractions of a sort no?

For basic D'ni info: a good start is the DRC site here:

http://www.drcsite.org/dnifaq.php

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CrisGer wrote:
RAWA as keeper of D'ni lore would be a good place to ask. Also the Archivist Guild they have a site and lots of lore....

Decimals are fractions of a sort no?


I have been told about RAWA's knowledge, unsure how to contact him about the issue though.

And the word "decimal" is used in those articles, but it always refers to writing in Decimal base. Aka base ten.

Much like saying the word Hexadecimal or Vegesimal means base sixteen and base twenty respectively.

Still some unanswered questions. I'm certainly interested though. The DRC site showed that there was a guild of analysts. In that case I'm rather sure that there must've been a well developed branch of D'ni mathematics. If an explorer finds a linking book to one of the Analyst's ages...or perhaps entry into their Guild Hall please post it.

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I have been told about RAWA's knowledge, unsure how to contact him about the issue though.

You can send RAWA a PM through these forums.

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Messaged RAWA a few days ago but still have not received any word from him. I'm not sure how long a message from him takes to be honest. I assume he's a busy man anyway.

I was theorizing about D'ni operations though. I think that they might do their work vertically. Like we do with hindu-arabic math. But maybe it would imitate "growth" a kind of cultural throwback to the Great Tree?

This is all speculation, not based on anything I've seen. Just me trying to figure it out in my head like a D'ni. Considering how much their culture affects other aspects of their science and artistry, I figured that there may be a further connection.

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Ghirlandaio wrote:
I'm not sure how long a message from him takes to be honest.

It could take a while, as I don't think he's getting to PMs much these days (I've got one still unread in my outbox from quite a while ago :roll: ).

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Joey Zoonishii wrote:
I can't sleep nights worrying about this kind of thing.


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:( I guess it's best not to mention quantum algorithms then?

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Quick, we need the D'ni for integral, derivative and differential! :P

Oh, we also need someone to convert h to base-25 (once we figure fractions) :lol:

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π in D'ni :D

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D'ni pi is pretty simple.

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Or should be after I get a division process... :roll:

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