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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:00 am 
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So, I have D'ni history question concerning the Nexus books:

Are all the current Nexus books in Ae'gura placed there by the DRC? Or, have they been their since the Fall? (Which assumes they were deactivated until power was restored to the cavern.) I see several options, and was wondering if we have an "offical" story concerning this. Here are few options I've come up with:

1. Were all most of the Nexus books collected by Maintainers before/during the Fall?
2. Were they collected by the DRC then returned as the various hoods are restored? (As shown in the Great Tree videos.)
3. Nexus books have been in place all along, just waiting to be repowered? (Then where did the books go in places like Descent...And I'm not even mentioning the whole Nexus/Direbo book issue there.)
4. It could simply be combination of all of these, Maintainers collected some of the Books, DRC collectes some...then found the "stash" in Maintainer fortess, restoring them in various places where needed. The rest could have been there all along...ect.

Anys, any info/backstory on this would be most appreciated! Thanks!!!

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Oh dear.
As soon as you ask that, you forgot the big important question.

Instancing?

The D'ni didn't use instancing, Yeesha did. So how does the nexus somehow not only deal with it but deal with it well? Is this something in the game we haven't been told? Or is it a simple matter of gameplay-story segregation and in true canon there is no instancing of nexus books etc, and it was used because it was the easiest interface and was there to allow for getting to other players' ages quickly without having to use their relto constantly in person?

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@Gondar: While I appreciate the added depth you're trying to bring my questions. I'm asking for historical "story-wise" reasons of where the books came from. The mechanics and physics behind the actual workings are a different line of inquiry. To be helpful for those interested in that, I have attached links with spoiler tags for their ease of review.

Again, I am thankful for the help so far, and if anyone has more info to impart, it would be most useful to my history research. Many thanks!!!

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http://www.guildofgreeters.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=38
http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4617
http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12797
http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20712
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Perhaps I wasn't clear. I'm trying to ask iuf they ARE part of the story. The instances exist. Uru is treated as IC. Therefore, instances in the nexus are IC?
How did they get in there then? Did Yeesha magic the whole thing? I mean, the D'ni had all those books, so if you could add more Yeesha could add more I guess, but at the same time, some of those books I'm surprised are in the system so that implies the DRC added them..

My point is, if the books have a story-wise reason for them to exist, then therefore the fact that we have Yeesha instanced ones probably does too.

Or was that an oblique way to say "I don't care about that, it's not the specific topic I was wondering"? In that case very well.

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I noticed that the DRC has stamped the Nexus books at each terminal. This could mean one of two things (although more theories are welcome):

1. The DRC placed those books in the various terminals after approving them.
2. The DRC approved each book while they were still in their terminals, left there either after the Fall or after Atrus' attempted restoration.

[spoiler]Something tells me that the D'ni, Maintainers or otherwise, would have been too panicked to think to pick up each Nexus book during the Fall, as the scene was quite chaotic according to the BoT. In fact, some may have used them to escape and one can't exactly take a book they're linking with with them (Relto and Yeesha shenanigans notwithstanding, of course).[/spoiler]

Anyway, let's see what RAWA has to say (/me fires a cyan-colored signal flare into the night sky :P ).

EDIT: Added some spoiler tags, just in case.

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There are many holes in Uru's story - especially when it comes to explaining gameplay in an IC manner. Much of it was simply written off as "Yeesha magic" (such as the instancing). So, it's quite possible that the answers to your questions aren't already in place and readily available for RAWA to give, and in light of his limited time to devote to MOUL, it's unlikely he would spend the time to create them.

However... if you were to turn your questions into theories, there's a better chance he would post to correct any blatant misconceptions.

I suggest you draft a theory based on what you know, no matter how sparse or possibly incorrect it may be, and post it here for others to chime in with their thoughts and opinions. Then, take all those into consideration and write a more comprehensive theory for RAWA to comment on.

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From the information we have so far, it seems like the Nexus books were simply left behind. From what we know, the KI was only in the earliest stages of adoption when D'ni fell, so the vast majority of the population would not have been able to use the Nexus, finding themselves trapped for an indeterminate period of time if they chose to use the linking books on display. Between their relative exclusivity and the chaos that was surely occurring during the attack, collecting the Nexus linking books seems like the least of the Maintainer's concerns.

Additionally, all of this talk of the Nexus books requiring power... where is that coming from? The only "powered" Nexus podiums are those that will allow you to register your KI at that location, the rest of them are ordinary book stands. The books themselves don't require any power to use, although, once again, using one if the Nexus itself (that is to say, the massive machine in the Nexus age) had lost power would result in a citizen being trapped for an unknown period of time.

Instancing wouldn't relate to this in any way either... the basic logic of the Nexus and it's planned use as a D'ni mass transit system exists completely outside of the use of instancing.

More than likely, the majority of the Nexus linking books were left behind, and then collected by the DRC to be checked for safety and stability as the restoration began. The stamped books are the ones that checked out alright and were subsequently returned to appropriate locations throughout the cavern and accessible ages. Of course, the fact that there are DRC approved links to the Great Zero sitting in every neighborhood kind of implies that they were willing to slap their name on anything that worked by the start of 2007, so using them as an actual metric at this point is pretty questionable.

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Ignoring how the instancing should or shouldn't work.. I think what is going on is the simple fact that the nexus was obviously going to allow permission levels in the programming. I mean, they don't want any random citizen with a KI to get access to gahreesen, so KIs that didn't have the right access level wouldn't even get the option for that book. We KNOW the DRC uses multiple levels of permissions on the KI, the ResEngs use a higher one than explorers, and the DRC themselves probably have an even higher grade.

Thus, it wouldn't be hard for Laxman to go and repurpose the available age lists a bit.. explorers get access to the selection we have. Any books we also have by other means may or may not get tossed on there.. I mean if we're there thanks to Yeesha it's kinda too late. They don't have to however, and I can't think of any examples offhand except for K'veer which has a nexus pedestal anyways so it could work through the other part of the system.
As for books the DRC has not authorized for explorer use.. we just don't see them in the list. The DRC themselves go through those one by one, and as they authorize an age, it gets added to the whitelist of books we can get the nexus to show. Thus, the nexus is probably full of a copy of every linking book the DRC indexed themselves... but we only see the small portion, and as the DRC finds a new age they add it in.

Why am I going with the "DRC adds books" theory? Simple.. they would occasionally note they "found a copy of a linking book". However, if the whole library was stored in the nexus, it'd ALL be available. They'd just have to sift through them... the nexus is on a different age than the cavern and wasn't affected by the Fall at any point (which was a biological plague, not some corrosive gas or what), nor the earthquake that came after. So the fact that they have to find them implies the nexus wasn't loaded with most ages (being prepped for when they gave it full use) and those that were loaded were being sorted one by one by the DRC to check for safety and so on.. and when an age was found by other means and declared safe enough (enough, remember tetsonot?) the linking book was set in the nexus for use by everyone and declared 'open' on the lists.

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Huh. Reading the first post, I thought this whole thing was about the actual Nexus linking books (as in the books that take you there), not the books contained WITHIN the Nexus like you seem to be indicating here.

WELP, nevermind what I was saying, I was arguing a whole different point entirely! And yeah, regarding the books contained within the Nexus, I'm pretty sure Gondar has hit the nail right on the head.

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@vidkid: Nope, your intial assumption is correct. I was trying to discover more info on the Nexus books on the pedestals and not in the machine itself. Your answer is the one I was seeking.

@Gonder: That being said, you have *very* interesting theories. Hmm....

@Everyone: I guess at this point I should "open the floor"' for anyone else who has thoughts or opinions. Thanks to those who have so far contributed!!! If we're *really liucky perhaps RAWA himself might spare us a few minute to add some thoughts eventually! :wink:

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Maybe Yeesha modified the nexus age to account for Age instances. Off topoic I think instances should be a strickly OOC thing but that's a discussion for another day.


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Ohhhh.. that explains a lot.
Sorry Nev'yn, I thought you were asking about the nexus itself..

Heh. :oops:

For those, I suspect a lot of the same. The DRC found a bunch of nexus books (which are what are used for the pedestals without KI registration markers), and the nexus pedestals in Ae'gura were probably there but needed a bit of tuning to get working after all that neglect. Same for the K'veer one, and so on. Power is probably self-contained.. we haven't heard or seen evidence of a D'ni "power grid", and they did use other systems such as firemarbles for lighting independent.. so it's likely they found a way to make the things generate power in sufficient amounts, and then used them in things like nexus pedestals that just needed a bit to scan/broadcast/receive info about KI put in. It would link to the lattice, which held the database of security levels and so on, which would then give access on the nexus list (or not, maybe, I guess they would worry about a person say sneaking away from escort to use a ki in a terminal and suddenly have access to a restricted area)

So there's probably a storage area used with them produced in quantity, although mostly just books. Pedestals varied.

(and why the nexus adds ages you don't use a nexus terminal in, notably private ages? Either gameplay/story segregation in the sense of "yeesha magic" or alternately Laxman added something to the KI's 'phone home' positioning system so when it ends up registering as in some ages, the system unlocks that age automatically)

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