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I think we're going to have to agree to disagree in regards to the Great Shaft. Every version of it I've seen (from DIRT to Uru) shows there were no supports, it's only EoA that has them.

Now originally that could have been explained with the whole EoA being 50 years after Uru as "Humans fixed up the Shaft over the years and the DRC added the supports". However this falls apart when it was retconned.

Yes the D'ni fixed up the shaft after the initial tremors that almost cost Veovis his life and resulted in them stopping the work. However you then have to take into account 200 years of subsequent earthquakes which would count for the small amount of damage seen in Uru.

Further more the lack of supports is rather in keeping with the D'ni grandiose building achievements (like Kerath's Arch and others) where the structure was established and honed to perfection by their engineering skills. I would also offer the Book of Atrus as evidence of the lack of supports, but it would be flawed given the description on the novel is very different to how it is in Uru.

In regards to the Art. Larry pretty much hit it spot on. Generally experimentation with the Art was a no-no, the D'ni held steadfast in their rules regarding Writing (obviously some development over the years would happen..new ink formulas for example). It was however done by people (illicit Ages) and by the Guilds to a degree (Gahreesen wall has a mechanism at the top to Link a person without a Book and on the ground is a round stone which also Links a person). Some of the experimentations have been quite outlandish for the D'ni (which some will hopefully discover in the future). But a lot of these experiments would have been kept secret due to the penalties that came with messing with the Art.

In regard to Yeesha and Calam... Well Yeesha was the byproduct of Atrus and Katran raising a child right. Atrus was a very accomplished Writer and Katran...well she was like Picasso to Atrus' Monet. Whilst she was talented she was creative over scientific she already bent the rules that Atrus (like the majority of D'ni) held as absolutes. Yeesha inherited both of these writing styles and combined with what she learned from Calam a D'ni Writer was able to really push the limits. As she learned from Calam he learned from her and as a result I don't think it's at all unlikely they made a ridiculous amount of progress where the Art is concerned.

Throw in the Bahro and their take on the Art to the mix and baby...you've got a stew..

Kadish Tolesa and Ahnonay are troublesome examples to use. Kadish Tolesa is a prime example of Kadish's flawed Writing style and Ahnonay (given it appears to be a Torus Age) was most likely an illicit Age.


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That's right, I got my versions mixed up thanks Chloe :) Too many versions of the Shaft >.<

Yeah I had pondered that idea too, but then I took into account the state of the suit and the gloves. As a slim-lined suit designed for those best of the best maintainers, having a book in the palm seems counterproductive when trying to hang on to things/climb. Of course it's entirely possible the book is in the sleeve and the top of the wall and the stone sends some sort of electrical signal that triggers the Link.


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Hehe, I go to work and look what happens while I'm away! :lol: Some great conversations here!!

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