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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:07 am 
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The little video (1 min 50 seconds) on my website:

(removed link)

Any suggestions? :P

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:26 am 
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Maybe I'm thick, but I think some explanation is needed. It looked like some random associations were made by your video and then you asked what is next? First, I'd like to know the basis for the associations you have made such as the numbers and shapes.

You seem to be arguing for the existance of a set of clues and are asking where this might lead. Maybe some text would help?

At this point, I have no other suggestions. Sorry.

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Don't be sorry, because it's me who is sorry... :?

Like you can read in my sign, I don't speak English very well ; and you ask me to explain my "little question" in English.
I will not.

But what I can do, is to post here the pics from the video.
So, take a few minutes to look at them, think about them, and make your own idea from them... :wink:

The pics: (click on a black box area)

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The numbers on the shapes, are the weights:

[Reveal] Spoiler:
25 +/- = 8 weight units
18 +/- = 6 weight units
13 +/- = 4 weight units
6 +/- = 2 weight units
3 +/- = 1 weight unit

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Connecting the spine of the book to the sides of the columns, I get that

Connecting the colours used on the top of the columns to the colours in the pods, I get that

I don't get how the blocks in Jalak are connected to the numbers of the pods ... how do you make that leap?
Why are those blocks those numbers?

Everything else after that also makes no sense.

If you won't even try to explain your questions in anything other than cryptic picture associations, then don't expect much debate.

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Alien wrote:
I don't get how the blocks in Jalak are connected to the numbers of the pods ... how do you make that leap?
Why are those blocks those numbers?

manloc wrote:
The numbers on the shapes, are the weights:

[Reveal] Spoiler:
25 +/- = 8 weight units
18 +/- = 6 weight units
13 +/- = 4 weight units
6 +/- = 2 weight units
3 +/- = 1 weight unit


a) The numbers in Pods already been there.
Example: 25

b) The shapes in Jalak already have units of size/weight from one to each other.
Example: 8 x 1 Small cube = 1 Big cube

c) The shapes size/weight units +/- matchs with the Pods numbers/values.

Of course, it's possible that's just due to chance...
But it's also possible that isn't! :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:51 pm 
Manloc, in future, take the time to write out your questions. People will appreciate it an awful lot more, and will be able to actually give you an answer.


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I'm a bit surprised at the suggestions by explorers that there should be more text and clearer questions.

It seems clear to me that manloc simply feels he's discovered some relationship between Jalak and the pod age. Many Myst/Uru puzzles begin to be solved by just feeling there's something to uncover there. And, many of them begin with simple questions (what is this?) that can lead to more complicated questions (have I seen this somewhere else and if so, could there be a relationship?) which, in turn, can lead to even more complicated questions until finally answers begin to be revealed.

Suggestions? Mine would be to look in the Jalak book in the library to see if there's anything relevant in there.

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Tai'lahr wrote:
It seems clear to me that manloc simply feels he's discovered some relationship between Jalak and the pod age. Many Myst/Uru puzzles begin to be solved by just feeling there's something to uncover there. And, many of them begin with simple questions (what is this?) that can lead to more complicated questions (have I seen this somewhere else and if so, could there be a relationship?) which, in turn, can lead to even more complicated questions until finally answers begin to be revealed


Like this..http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26282&highlight=

Thank you Tai'Lahr for pointing that out...Even older players still see something that is intriguing and like to ask a question, like me..

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Thank you very much for your understanding, Tai'lahr and Charura. :)

For your suggestion, Tai'lahr, the log near the linking book have been writen by the DRC (IC), I think...
If I remember, there's nothing "special" in it ; but I'll read it again.

If there's really a relationship between Jalak and the Pods, maybe it's a "OOC" relationship (a "CyanWorlds made" relationship ; like for an Easteregg, for example)... :wink:

PS, while I remember:
I asked someone by PM, some time ago, something on this subject, but as I don't speak English well, my request for help has been interpreted as an order and therefore we didn't answer me.
I have since deleted my message.
The problem is that I have some memory loses and I don't remember to whom I sent this message...
In fact, I hesitate between two people.
I want to introduce to this person, my apologies to haven't speak English well ; and I'm doing it in this topic because I can't do it by PM...
Please, forgive me.


(My "PS" is a perfect example of why I avoid speaking English too often...)

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I was able to get what he was asking. +1 to Tai'lahr and Charura. It's really the logic in the connection that needs explanation.

I have a couple of questions; How did you discover the weights of the shapes? Are they established numbers or are they just taken from the station numbers?

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chrissifniotis wrote:
It's really the logic in the connection that needs explanation.

manloc wrote:
If there's really a relationship between Jalak and the Pods, maybe it's a "OOC" relationship (a "CyanWorlds made" relationship ; like for an Easteregg, for example)... :wink:

Do I really have to try to explain a "possible" CyanWorlds thinking way of building a puzzle?

Alien wrote:
Connecting the colours used on the top of the columns to the colours in the pods, I get that

Thanks Alien. :wink:

I just add that: (click on black box)

[Reveal] Spoiler:
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On this pic, the Pods position is the same as them stones, at Relto.
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chrissifniotis wrote:
How did you discover the weights of the shapes? Are they established numbers or are they just taken from the station numbers?

manloc wrote:
The numbers on the shapes, are the weights:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
25 +/- = 8 weight units
18 +/- = 6 weight units
13 +/- = 4 weight units
6 +/- = 2 weight units
3 +/- = 1 weight unit

a) The numbers in Pods already been there.
Example: 25

b) The shapes in Jalak already have units of size/weight from one to each other.
Example: 8 x 1 Small cube = 1 Big cube

c) The shapes size/weight units +/- matchs with the Pods numbers/values.

Of course, it's possible that's just due to chance...
But it's also possible that isn't! :wink:

Maybe I should have said "possible weights", or "values"...

Another example:
6 x 1 small cube = 1 rectangle
6 x 1 weight/size unit = 6 weight/size units
So, IF one small cube value is really "3": 6 x 3 = 18 (one rectangle value).

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No no, I understood the relationship with the pods and the coloured pillars, that was rather self evident. I'm just trying to work out the numbers with the shapes. I suppose it is technically possible to determine the weights of each of the shapes using a carefully calculated system of manuvouring the pillars and shapes to aline perfectly.
This calls for an experiment!
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OK. :)
chrissifniotis wrote:
I suppose it is technically possible to determine the weights of each of the shapes using a carefully calculated system of manuvouring the pillars and shapes to aline perfectly.
This calls for an experiment!
*links to Jalak*

I tryed that.
It is how I found that:

1 small cube +/- = 1 unit
1 sphere +/- = 2 units
1 triangle +/- = 4 units
1 rectangle +/- = 6 units
1 big cube +/- = 8 units

... I said "+/-"... :wink:

If 1 big cube = 25 (25.000):
    1 small cube = 25 / 8 = 3.125 (can be 3)
    1 sphere = 2 x 1 small cube (I think) = 6.250 (can be 6)
    1 triangle = 25 / 2 = 12.500 (can be both 12 or 13, but in theory it is more 13)
    1 rectangle = 6 x 1 small cube = 18.750 (can be 19 but not 18 )

Like you can see, I'm not sure for the rectangle, because we can have only 5 small cubes at Jalak and then, I was not able to check well...
But I think, in fact, it is [number between 5.6 and 5.9] x 1 small cube = [number between 17.500 and 18.499] (can be 18)

This is where I'm stuck. :wink:
If we really have to do special things with the pillars and the shapes, I don't find what...
There are 25 pillars and we can put 25 shapes on them ; there are also 20 possible height for the pillars.
I suppose we have to put some shapes on some pillars, but witch shape on witch pillar and at witch height?

Also... lol ... Maybe an avvie have himself a weight... Do we have to do with or without his weight?
If we have to do with, we have to find what is his weight value...
Maybe we can find it at Jalak, by putting 1 rectangle on 1 small cube ; then, the avvie climb on the rectangle and add a shape on the rectangle ; then the avvie have to move the shape to an extremity of the rectangle and to go himself at the other extremity... To know if the avvies's weight is + or - than the shape's one.
I tryed, but it's not easy with only one player (me)... I need help for doing that. :wink:

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I see. I don't think you should put a number on the shapes just yet because without a scale we'll never truly know the exact weight of the shapes, but these experiments will help in determining the weights. You can carry on with this, this sounds very interesting and I'll consider starting work on this myself, my suggestion is when dealing with heavier prisms, consider adding heavier shapes to balance out and keep a record of exactly the number and types of shapes you used; you can then use that information to better describe the weight of the shapes heavier than 5 small cubes. Good luck with your work. :D

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It seems you're a "Scully" and me a "Mulder"... :lol:
Sometimes, we have to believe first, to be able to see something. :wink:

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