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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:07 pm 
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Several ages have clear signs of severe damage. Remember that only 270 years have passed since the fall of D’ni. So what accounts for this?

The first and easiest to explain is Ae’gura. The damage occurred during the fall and could have been caused by a few things. The first is a natural earthquake (remember D’ni is under a volcano). The other is that the damage was caused by whatever method Veovis used to crack the cavern wall and let gas in (book of Ti’Ana). Something to investigate is which buildings were built after Deretheni and Nara were discovered and which are damaged.

Gehreesen. I simply don’t have any idea what could have caused the damage here. Also notice that the entrance building has damage but the larger one does not. Perhaps the larger building in Gehreesen is built of Deretheni and Nara.

Kadish Tolesa. The only thing I can find in reference to the damage here is a forum post on dpwr.net that said the Prima strategy guide states that Kadish made an error in writing the age and the trees grow so fast that it is causing structural damage to the age.

Er’Cana. Here sections of the walkway are missing completely (not just rusted off). Some have suggested a tornado.

I would have to say that the stone structures with damage must not have been made of Deretheni or Nara.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:22 pm 
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My pet theory for Gahreesen is that it was hit by Veovis and Ae'geras' people during the fall either to steal something or to prevent the Maintainers from reacting immediately to the crisis in D'ni.

All the damage is just way too consistent and contained to be anything but deliberate.

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Shorah westar and welcome!

You pose some *very* interesting questions! :)

I agree, the Tolesa damage looks more natural, rather like the way concrete buckles from tree roots. The other instances you mention seem to fit with Cal's theory, that the damage was deliberate and done by the Ae'garis/Veovis crowd.

(BTW, do we know anything about what happened to them afterward? BOT makes it pretty clear that as a group, they were interested in preserving their own lives, after all. And yes, we do know that Ae'garis and Veovis both died, but what about their followers?)

Gahreesen looks to me like they were after at least two things. They rifled through only some of the books in the holding area, so I am thinking they were after something specific and thus stopped when they found it. And the dramatic damage we see farther on looks like they were heading exactly where we ourselves had to go, to the middle floor control room. Access there obviously was highly restricted (and I still am not clear how the Maintainers got in there since they obviously couldn't link there). The intruders blew open several walls in order to bypass the security doorways, blew a hole into the flooring in one place, the ceiling in another place, and an outer wall on the middle floor. I am guessing that the security doors must be made of Nara and so the stone was easier for them to break through. I'm not sure exactly what they were after in the control room, but can only guess that the damaged and powered down condition we find when we first arrive is how they left it when they got what they were after. It looks to me as though we must follow in their exact footsteps to reach the control room.

It seems to me the damage in Er'cana was aimed at stopping the pellet production. We don't know where the second set of harvester rails goes, but the second harvester is either destroyed or just trapped on the other side of the broken rails. It looks to me like that set of tracks probably went to the fields where they harvested the grain used to make the pellets. All of which makes it appear that they wanted to destroy not only the D'ni but the Cavern lake as well. We know the algae got very sick after the poison gas, and even after years of feeding pellets into the lake (after repairing the Er'cana pellet machinery), we still are seeing little change, which makes it seem to me as though the algae would probably have been completely dead by now if not for our presence in the Cavern. RAWA has indicated that but that when we arrived down below. So my theory is that it had been dying a slow and steady death ever since the original mass die off. Disabling the Er'cana works would ensure any surviving D'ni would be unable to stop the extinction of the algae.

Hmm, lots of food for further thought... (I think I see another research project on my horizon!! :D )


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Well, bear in mind that, according to Yeesha, Gahreesen dates back to the time of King Kerath... who was coronated in the D'ni year of 6731.

I believe that converts to the surface year of 925 BC.

It's also constantly in motion, by design...spinning in the current of the water below it... that could have put stress on the stone over so much time-- it might occasionally get stuck and the gears begin pressing on each other, etc.... putting massive stress on the structure and causing some weak points here and there... spots which eventually gave way after the fall.

And Er'cana --- well, there's one point where a boulder has fallen onto one of the walkways. and is still visible -- it is a fairly rocky Age, and the factory is surrounded by hills.. maybe a few rockslides knocked out the walkways & the maglev track -- and then with walkways missing, someone cut away part of the grating in the pipeline in order to get access into the factory.


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Calumon and Ainia your thoughts on the attack of the first building in Gehreesen makes sense. The damage is in areas related to linking or power generation. An earthquake would have damaged both buildings. It does make sense to attack the maintainers as they have the suits that would prevent some people from dying for the gas or virus they released.

For Er'cana I thought pellets weren't produced here before Kadish started to prove he was the Grower. Before that it was simply a grain producing age. The damage here seems more random and natural - maybe tornados, earthquakes, rockslides etc.


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I suppose it's possible for Gahreesen 1 to have been collapsing internally on its own, but that then raises the question as to what caused all the burn marks on the toppled tower on the roof, and why Building 2 doesn't have any observable damage to it at all?

But the idea of a staged attack shouldn't be ruled out entirely. After all, where *were* the Maintainers during the Fall? Why weren't they trying to stop Veovis' plan? Surely there must have been maintainers guarding the ventilation systems to prevent such a thing? And we see no mention of the Maintainers searching D'ni for survivors when Veovis and Ae'geras are linking the bodies into the various ages.

*Shrugs* But that's just my take on it.


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I agree that whatever caused the damage to Gahreesen, it wasn't any kind of explosive device as we think of it. The D'ni were too advanced for simple explosives. Probably a laser cutter or a sound device of some kind, if it were a direct attack, maybe something similar to what Sirrus stumbled onto on Spire?



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Both for the main island and Gehreesen the choice comes down to natural disasters (earthquakes, etc) vs Veovis and company destroying during the fall. I think the answer depends on what type of stone was used to build or coat each building. If it is was Deretheni or especially Nara there is no way even an earthquake would cause that much damage.

The main island seems to have hit and miss damage. The library, originally built before these types of stones were invented, has only minor damage itself (though it is more extensive outside). Yet the Kahlo Pub experienced serious damage. Perhaps the island had a combination of both intentional destruction and earthquakes.


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But why wouldn't the Maintainers wish to make their buildings as strong as possible? The Maintainers were all about keeping things safe and secure. Look at all the trouble they went into building Gahreesen- an entire age built around rotating buildings! If I were a Maintainer, I'd certainly want to have my buildings reinforced with the latest and greatest of Super-Strong Materials. Better safe than sorry, as has been said.

If Gahreesen WERE attacked, be it internally (Say, if the prisoners decided to make a break from building 2) or externally (Veovis+Company), that's something I'm sure that the Maintainers DID worry about.


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We can't rule out internal betrayal of the Maintainers. They could have had members who were sympathetic to the cause of D'ni purity. Very likely in fact considering their job was to protect D'ni from outside dangers.

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angry off Bah'ro make the most sense to me.


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