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For anyone interested here is the log from the discussion:
10/23 02:07:46) Chat.log started...
(10/23 02:07:48) Gui: Meeting about the formation of a society of Psychologists, Anthropologiests, and something else.
(10/23 02:07:52) *clip
(10/23 02:08:01) *EDIT
(10/23 02:08:03) From Horatio252: yes, we have not started yet
(10/23 02:08:05) *cut
(10/23 02:08:17) From Horatio252: how do I stop talking ot individuals
(10/23 02:08:29) Monkeyboy: clikc Age players
(10/23 02:08:42) Monkeyboy: Ok So, here we are, everyone...
(10/23 02:08:46) *destroyed
(10/23 02:09:00) Todoni waves hello
(10/23 02:09:01) Monkeyboy: yes shilow, a meeting for the SAPS
(10/23 02:09:09) *shredded
(10/23 02:09:13) Monkeyboy: just a discussion really
(10/23 02:09:24) *burnt
(10/23 02:09:33) Horatio252: shall we all introduce ourselves
(10/23 02:09:35) Monkeyboy: ok shilow enjoy
(10/23 02:09:40) Horatio252: and our interests
(10/23 02:09:45) *CIA
(10/23 02:09:49) *National security
(10/23 02:10:09) Monkeyboy: ok,
(10/23 02:10:22) Monkeyboy: My interests lie in Anthor
(10/23 02:10:33) Monkeyboy: 'cuse me Anthro
(10/23 02:10:59) Horatio252: my interests lie in psychology
(10/23 02:11:20) Horatio252: OOC I am a grad student in research psych
(10/23 02:11:43) Monkeyboy: OOC I work as an Archaeologist
(10/23 02:11:54) From Mari' in Mari''s Nexus: Lets do I spy
(10/23 02:12:17) Horatio252: Would others like to introduce themselves
(10/23 02:12:30) Aura: My interest is Anthro
(10/23 02:12:54) Aura: OOC I majored in Psych as well
(10/23 02:13:08) Monkeyboy: oh nice
(10/23 02:13:11) Gui: I'm really just here to observe, though I'm genuinly interested in what this group plans to do.
(10/23 02:13:26) Monkeyboy: that's the point of the discussion really
(10/23 02:13:30) Todoni: I like sci fi- and reading something that ties in anthro and psycho is always the best
(10/23 02:14:08) Monkeyboy: I really like those books that delve into cultures
(10/23 02:14:17) Monkeyboy: hence the reason I'
(10/23 02:14:22) Monkeyboy: I'm here
(10/23 02:14:23) shilow (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(10/23 02:14:33) Monkeyboy: Ok is that everyone?
(10/23 02:14:42) Horatio252: Mila?
(10/23 02:15:12) Monkeyboy: ok Horatio, what do you want out of this group
(10/23 02:15:38) Monkeyboy: or really anyone can answer that
(10/23 02:16:08) Horatio252: I would like to a see a group of people taking what we know of the D'ni and analyzing it according to scientific research
(10/23 02:16:27) Todoni: ! cool
(10/23 02:16:28) Horatio252: using our interests in the socila sciences to examine this world
(10/23 02:16:34) Monkeyboy: and how would we go about doing that?
(10/23 02:16:56) Horatio252: I picture us "publishing" articles
(10/23 02:17:01) Monkeyboy: what do we have to help us in examining the d'ni?
(10/23 02:17:11) Todoni: The books
(10/23 02:17:18) Gui: There is a fair bit of translated text that's still dificult for the layperson to understand. Read: The Kings.
(10/23 02:17:38) Todoni: The guild of trtanslators would help
(10/23 02:17:39) Horatio252: tying real world research to the revealed world of d'ni
(10/23 02:17:44) Monkeyboy: Ok we have the books, the Kings, and various other rooftop material
(10/23 02:18:17) Monkeyboy: how far can we go on that?
(10/23 02:18:26) Horatio252: yes, those sources seem at least a good start for psychologicl and sociological study
(10/23 02:18:45) Monkeyboy: Anthro can be in there too
(10/23 02:18:55) Horatio252: I wasn't sure
(10/23 02:19:05) Monkeyboy: just like sociology
(10/23 02:19:16) Monkeyboy: though more dealing with teh past
(10/23 02:19:17) Gui: I'll bet the Guild of Messengers would be happy to have psychologists help them get their messages out more effectively.
(10/23 02:19:23) Horatio252: I think that there is more in those texts than at first seems
(10/23 02:19:48) Monkeyboy: let's see there's one on marriage
(10/23 02:19:51) Todoni: I have always been curious of the population decrease at the time of the fall- how fast- how much- how bad
(10/23 02:20:17) Gui: How many survived to Releshan?
(10/23 02:20:29) Horatio252: do we have that information?
(10/23 02:20:37) Gui: No idea.
(10/23 02:20:38) Monkeyboy: those are really good questions? Is that something we can find out
(10/23 02:20:53) Monkeyboy: or at least do some number crunching
(10/23 02:21:44) Horatio252: I see this group though more focused on the cultural and personal impact of the fall than the facts and numbers
(10/23 02:21:45) Todoni: Hello Bamboozled and Stranger
(10/23 02:21:51) 5TheStranger5 waves hello
(10/23 02:22:08) Aura: Shorah Bamboozled and Stranger
(10/23 02:22:16) Monkeyboy: I think your right Horatio, but to konw the personal you need to know the numbers
(10/23 02:22:31) Gui: Another interesting question I know we have information on is how D'Ni survived as long as it did.
(10/23 02:22:40) Todoni nods her head
(10/23 02:22:45) Monkeyboy: how do you mean?
(10/23 02:23:02) Monkeyboy: 200 year lifespan?
(10/23 02:23:12) Monkeyboy: or as in 10,ooo years
(10/23 02:23:34) Gui: Their society held onto itself without forming other nations or any real rebelion until right up to the end, and there's plenty of conflict in the record.
(10/23 02:23:49) Todoni: Well, i think both the people were long lived and also the society lasted longer than earth ones
(10/23 02:23:50) Monkeyboy: plenty of conflict
(10/23 02:23:51) shilow (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(10/23 02:24:13) Monkeyboy: a lot of conflict dealt with "outsiders"
(10/23 02:24:37) Monkeyboy: they were a very xenophobic bunch
(10/23 02:24:48) Gui: Certainly not all though. There were succession conflicts, both for the position of King and as Guild leaders.
(10/23 02:25:01) Gui: Conflict among powerful houses.
(10/23 02:25:04) Horatio252: Great ideas, but while we are here, perhaps we should focus on structural things
(10/23 02:25:16) Horatio252: what is the leadership of this group
(10/23 02:25:21) Horatio252: where will we publish
(10/23 02:25:34) Monkeyboy: good points
(10/23 02:25:59) Horatio252: I 'll say waht I have thought, to start us off
(10/23 02:26:19) Monkeyboy: instead of much leadership, we can vote on what ?'s to answer and all work on those ?'s
(10/23 02:26:30) Monkeyboy: oops sorry horatio
(10/23 02:26:32) Horatio252: I think perhaps thier should be head or chair for each disipline
(10/23 02:26:38) Horatio252: okay that's a good idea
(10/23 02:27:17) Horatio252: what are the things we need to talk about
(10/23 02:27:30) Monkeyboy: how are we to publish?
(10/23 02:28:04) Monkeyboy: where to publish, how to talk to one another, and perhaps a sign up sheet? lol
(10/23 02:28:23) Gui: Webpages, seem the de facto publishing media for most other D'Ni groups.
(10/23 02:28:31) Monkeyboy: brb
(10/23 02:28:46) Gui: Are you looking to peer review these papers in some way?
(10/23 02:29:03) Gui: I imagine most of the society being amatures.
(10/23 02:29:05) Horatio252: I have thought about peer review
(10/23 02:29:38) Horatio252: yes I relaize that many are amatur
(10/23 02:30:22) Horatio252: okay peer review falls under my thoughts on leadership
(10/23 02:30:36) Monkeyboy: ok back
(10/23 02:30:40) Horatio252: but it seems publishing is alos a concern
(10/23 02:31:08) Monkeyboy: we can peer review in our own group before publishing
(10/23 02:31:22) Horatio252: that is pretty much what I was thinking
(10/23 02:31:28) Monkeyboy: or perhaps the DWPR can review
(10/23 02:31:29) Todoni: It would be nice to be able to access and read from an easily accessible location on web
(10/23 02:31:43) Todoni: Other than that- doesnt matter to me where is published
(10/23 02:31:46) Monkeyboy: yes it would
(10/23 02:31:49) Gui: Who are the DWPR?
(10/23 02:32:12) Monkeyboy: um they have all the resources on the D'ni anyone could ever have
(10/23 02:32:17) Horatio252: as ot publishing I was thinking more about publishing under the DWPR
(10/23 02:32:24) Monkeyboy: i believe its DWPR.net
(10/23 02:32:26) Cavern Crier (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(10/23 02:32:34) Monkeyboy: oh
(10/23 02:32:52) Monkeyboy: I was thinking any major fora
(10/23 02:32:52) Gui: Well that sounds good.
(10/23 02:32:54) Bamboozled (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(10/23 02:33:12) Monkeyboy: but the DWPR for sure
(10/23 02:33:28) Horatio252: I am disinclined ot posting as threads on discussion boards
(10/23 02:33:36) Horatio252: was that hat you were thinking
(10/23 02:33:44) Monkeyboy: yes
(10/23 02:33:55) Monkeyboy: share and share alike
(10/23 02:34:15) Horatio252: I was wondering if alahment would allow us ot post as articles
(10/23 02:34:21) Horatio252: in our own section
(10/23 02:34:33) Horatio252: but I have not talked ot him at all
(10/23 02:34:39) Monkeyboy: oh, dunno 'bout that we would have talk to him
(10/23 02:35:08) Monkeyboy: I understand he is quite the busy person
(10/23 02:35:39) Monkeyboy: there is another project the "book of Commentary"
(10/23 02:36:21) Monkeyboy: might be interesting to look into
(10/23 02:36:43) Horatio252: I was not under the impression that the book of commentary was simliar ot our owrk
(10/23 02:36:54) Horatio252: but I will give it another look
(10/23 02:37:09) Todoni: Where is that located?
(10/23 02:37:17) Monkeyboy: well, when I got the PM it was just an idea, I odn't know what it has grown into
(10/23 02:37:33) Monkeyboy: its being built by explorers now Todoni
(10/23 02:37:54) Monkeyboy: they are getting all the info they can about the d'ni and putting it in a book
(10/23 02:37:55) Horatio252: I would check the maintainer lists on both MO:ULand Assembly of Guilds
(10/23 02:38:08) Todoni: K
(10/23 02:38:23) Todoni: Well....im gonna go help someone with a eder delin run
(10/23 02:38:28) Todoni: Ty for the meeting!
(10/23 02:38:30) Monkeyboy: What about a website or forum for further discussions?
(10/23 02:38:32) 5TheStranger5 waves hello
(10/23 02:38:35) Monkeyboy: thaks Todoni
(10/23 02:39:06) Monkeyboy: do you know anything about that kind of thing?
(10/23 02:39:28) Horatio252: I have no website making or maintaining ability
(10/23 02:39:41) Monkeyboy: me neither
(10/23 02:39:53) Monkeyboy: Aura? Do you?
(10/23 02:39:59) Horatio252: we could probably get our own section at assembly of guilds
(10/23 02:40:06) Monkeyboy: Do they do that?
(10/23 02:40:16) Monkeyboy: if so that would be good
(10/23 02:40:23) Aura: I can maintain one but can't provide it.
(10/23 02:40:45) Monkeyboy: Do you know how to provide one?
(10/23 02:40:58) Monkeyboy: or the costs involved?
(10/23 02:41:00) Horatio252: AoG has a sticky Ithink invinting people to start threads for all types of groups
(10/23 02:41:02) Aura: Server
(10/23 02:41:20) Monkeyboy: I see Aura, expensive then
(10/23 02:41:34) Aura: Kind of
(10/23 02:41:49) Horatio252: let's not go there yet
(10/23 02:41:52) Monkeyboy: I guess if it just needs to run simple text
(10/23 02:42:01) Horatio252: untill/unless the group gets bigger
(10/23 02:42:33) Monkeyboy: If the AoG will supply a forum then that's all we would need for the time being, your right, horatio
(10/23 02:42:51) Aura: Yes, I think so too.
(10/23 02:43:02) Horatio252: I will try to make that happen
(10/23 02:43:16) Monkeyboy: Ok
(10/23 02:43:18) Aura: sounds good
(10/23 02:43:41) Horatio252: yeah, and we can pubish there for now
(10/23 02:43:42) Monkeyboy: What I'm concerned most with is the interest.
(10/23 02:44:24) Monkeyboy: As you can see we got a couple of people interested, but if it declines...
(10/23 02:44:49) Aura: I think the interest is there it's just the time to research and write that stops people
(10/23 02:44:59) Horatio252: I think seeing published "articles" may increase interest
(10/23 02:45:21) Monkeyboy: It may
(10/23 02:45:41) Monkeyboy: and the time to research and write that will be difficult
(10/23 02:45:55) Horatio252: yeah, I don't want people to feel forced to write long pieces
(10/23 02:46:08) Monkeyboy: I'm not expecting any results for a while
(10/23 02:46:23) Horatio252: there can be valid shorter pieces
(10/23 02:46:48) Horatio252: probably true
(10/23 02:46:59) Monkeyboy: shorter pieces
(10/23 02:47:08) Monkeyboy: good idea,
(10/23 02:47:22) Monkeyboy: what kind of question will give us a short piece?
(10/23 02:48:18) Horatio252: short peices come from incomplete infomration
(10/23 02:48:31) Horatio252: or suggestions for new research
(10/23 02:48:43) Monkeyboy: i think there may be plenty of incomplete research
(10/23 02:48:52) Aura: yes
(10/23 02:49:00) Horatio252: though ot be an article it has ot be more fleshed out than a thread suggestion
(10/23 02:49:18) Monkeyboy: ok, for example
(10/23 02:50:05) Horatio252: I thought of a short peice on the D'ni length of the d'ni day compared ot normal human wake sleep cycles
(10/23 02:50:30) Horatio252: there is not much there, but if I referecne waht we know about normal human behavior
(10/23 02:50:53) Horatio252: I ca nsuggest in an article from our lack of knowledge
(10/23 02:51:09) Horatio252: article form
(10/23 02:51:30) Monkeyboy: i see
(10/23 02:52:32) Monkeyboy: maybe the best thing to do is get a forum set up then go from there?
(10/23 02:52:32) Horatio252: it is hard ot see without a model short article
(10/23 02:52:33) cessy (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(10/23 02:52:45) Horatio252: yes I agree
(10/23 02:52:57) Aura: yes
(10/23 02:53:31) Monkeyboy: Then maybe we can all decide on a "short" question to pursue and a longer
(10/23 02:53:43) Horatio252: sounds good
(10/23 02:53:47) Monkeyboy: question to pursue in between the shorts
(10/23 02:54:01) Aura: ok
(10/23 02:54:19) Horatio252: I am thinking, if we get our own section at AoG, of starting a thread for article ideas
(10/23 02:54:25) Horatio252: one for articles in progress
(10/23 02:54:32) Horatio252: and one as a final article list
(10/23 02:54:43) Monkeyboy: and a general discussion
(10/23 02:54:48) Horatio252: yes
(10/23 02:54:57) Monkeyboy: ok good
(10/23 02:55:07) Aura: agreed
(10/23 02:55:25) Monkeyboy: just post on the SAPS meeting thread if you get that setup or not
(10/23 02:55:33) Horatio252: okay
(10/23 02:55:38) Monkeyboy: on the mystonline.com forum that is
(10/23 02:55:44) Horatio252: yes
(10/23 02:55:55) Monkeyboy: sound good Aura?
(10/23 02:55:59) Aura: very
(10/23 02:56:05) Horatio252: do we want ot start a bevin?
(10/23 02:56:22) Monkeyboy: if you want to you can, though,
(10/23 02:56:30) Monkeyboy: i don't think we need to right now
(10/23 02:56:56) Horatio252: okay, I won't now
(10/23 02:56:58) Monkeyboy: everyone can always meet in my Bevin if we need privacy
(10/23 02:57:13) Aura: meeting here for now is working
(10/23 02:57:22) Monkeyboy: yes it is
(10/23 02:57:35) Monkeyboy: I like doing this in public anyway
(10/23 02:57:49) Horatio252: yes, public is good
(10/23 02:57:55) Monkeyboy: seeing we are social studies people
(10/23 02:58:02) Aura:
(10/23 02:58:37) Horatio252: the only point of business I wrote for my self was the request for work from SR
(10/23 02:58:50) Monkeyboy: oh
(10/23 02:58:55) Horatio252: I have no problem with indivuad involvment
(10/23 02:59:26) Horatio252: but I think SAPS shold limit itself ot studying cyan/drc revlealed info
(10/23 02:59:31) Monkeyboy: what kind of request are you thinking of?
(10/23 02:59:56) Monkeyboy: we could when it comes to the D'ni
(10/23 03:00:00) Horatio252: did not someone post on our thread about gettinf involved in the d'ni museum of art last week
(10/23 03:00:05) Monkeyboy: I think that's important
(10/23 03:00:18) Monkeyboy: yes, they did lol
(10/23 03:00:42) Monkeyboy: I agree that the D'ni stuff should be cyan stuff
(10/23 03:00:50) Aura: Yes
(10/23 03:01:03) Monkeyboy: but when it comes to other RP cultures then I think we can have a role in that
(10/23 03:01:37) Monkeyboy: It may help whomever wants to create a culture
(10/23 03:01:42) Monkeyboy: they can come to us
(10/23 03:01:51) Monkeyboy: and we can help them write something up
(10/23 03:01:54) Aura: good idea
(10/23 03:02:24) Horatio252: ideally we can be a resources to all groups and guilds
(10/23 03:02:32) Monkeyboy: Ideally yes
(10/23 03:02:51) Monkeyboy: I would hope we could have a foot in there somewhere
(10/23 03:03:51) Monkeyboy: I just wouldn't know how
(10/23 03:03:58) Horatio252: as to my brief thoughts on leadership
(10/23 03:04:08) Horatio252: overall we we will be very democratic
(10/23 03:04:11) Monkeyboy: oh yes
(10/23 03:04:21) Horatio252: with a poit person "chair" for each disipline
(10/23 03:04:24) Horatio252: point
(10/23 03:04:43) Monkeyboy: ok
(10/23 03:04:51) Aura: good
(10/23 03:05:03) Monkeyboy: if we can get enough people involved, that would be a good setup
(10/23 03:05:23) Horatio252: yeah
(10/23 03:05:44) Horatio252: for now we can help and guide each other
(10/23 03:05:55) Aura: sounds good
(10/23 03:06:07) Monkeyboy: ok
(10/23 03:06:21) Monkeyboy: any other questions or comments?
(10/23 03:06:24) Horatio252: that complete's my "agenda"
(10/23 03:06:40) Monkeyboy: Aura, you have anything you want to add or discuss?
(10/23 03:07:06) Aura: No, I think we have a good idea on what we want to do.
(10/23 03:07:16) Horatio252: did anyone get a list of everyone who was here
(10/23 03:07:27) Monkeyboy: hello ceylan
(10/23 03:07:39) Monkeyboy: um no
(10/23 03:07:40) Aura: Hi Ceylan
(10/23 03:07:50) Monkeyboy: there was Todoni
(10/23 03:07:55) Aura: the first time I did not log, sorry
(10/23 03:07:56) Monkeyboy: and Gui
(10/23 03:08:03) Monkeyboy: I have a log
(10/23 03:08:12) Monkeyboy: most everyone spoke so that should work
(10/23 03:08:25) Aura: yes
(10/23 03:08:28) Horatio252: good I was hoping someone logged
(10/23 03:08:35) Monkeyboy: I'll post on the forum
(10/23 03:08:40) Horatio252: great
(10/23 03:09:10) Monkeyboy: ok well I think that does it for me
(10/23 03:09:19) Horatio252: same here
(10/23 03:09:27) Monkeyboy: I think it went well
(10/23 03:09:31) Aura: Nice meeting you all
(10/23 03:09:34) Horatio252: yeah
(10/23 03:09:41) Monkeyboy: nice meeting you as well Aura
(10/23 03:09:43) From peni in D'ni-Ae'gura: good night sweet dreams
(10/23 03:10:02) Monkeyboy: hopefully we can get to know each other better
(10/23 03:10:14) 5TheStranger5: Yep
(10/23 03:10:16) Aura: That would be nice
(10/23 03:10:23) Horatio252: yes
(10/23 03:10:26) Monkeyboy: Ok, I'm off!
(10/23 03:10:29) Monkeyboy waves goodbye
(10/23 03:10:30) 5TheStranger5: Hey Ceylan!
(10/23 03:10:33) Aura: Goota go Bye all
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