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Kermit, please be assured that I firmly believe in the aims of the RR, both IC and OOC. There is no way I could argue a case for something I did not fully believe in, which is why I did not start a simple pro-DRC movement. I have always maintained that the DRC should improve their communication, but with the RR I was attempting to bring that about by building up a better relationship rather than with aggressive confrontation.

My IC character is very much a reflection of my OOC character. My opinions are the same IC and OOC.

I feel there is still a place for the RR in the Cavern. I have written about this more fully here.


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Well, you're alright by me Jazz. And Vicki. And all the other players in this intrigue. It's pretty much a given that the only reason anyone would want to contribute to Uru is because they believe it's something worth contributing to.

The RR may continue and grow, or it may change - either way I think the principles of it are in the hearts and minds of many that play Uru. They're the same principles that we employed when playing Myst, Riven and all the other adventure stories of this fascinating universe: take in all the info you can, separate truth from deceit, and use the facts to make the best choice for all involved - [spoiler]even if it meant freeing Saavedro, helping Achenar, or just dropping the Rosetta tablet - all non-intuitive solutions unless you know the full story.[/spoiler]

But anyway, how are those stats I mentioned coming along? Anyone know?


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K'laamas wrote:
I just want to comment that I'm quite sure that this was a fan-created story, not a Cyan-created story. In the OOC forum on the ADM web-boards, Vicki clearly stated that she created Sydney & the ADM in an attempt to get a story-line going.


The ADM had died before this but at the prodding of Nick it was resurrected to promote the story line interjected by Nick White, yes and IC character but played by a Cyan employee. The probation is nothing more then a continuation of that story.


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/me Breaks out popcorn, grape soda and heads for the cheap seats.

Two comments:

1. Daddy always says that "some people got the worms, there is always something eating them". So I'm going under that umbrella and watching the show.

2. This discussion is great entertainment! Y'all are thinking of stuff that I never would in my wildest dreams. I don't really know who is doing what to whom, but watching y'all intelligently argue this out is priceless! I love it! Only in Uru will you find people arguing in a non-malicious fashion to find the truth in the matter. Outside of a couple of nasty comments, I would love to show the entire planet just how wonderful the people in our community are. Bravo!!!

One more thing:

Oh, and about the confrontation between Cate and Sydney...as I was reading the chat logs, I wanted to tell Sydney to go choke on a rock so Cate could answer questions asked by other explorers that were in the room as well. That's just common courtesy to allow others in the room to speak and have their questions answered as well. But to be honest, I don't want Sydney to choke on a rock literally, I just want her to make sure to be courteous to her fellow explorers who would like to ask Cate a question and receive an answer as well.

I would like to thank Cyan, Cate and Sydney for their efforts. At least no one can now sit around wishing for a living, breathing cavern life. It's here. As controversial as it may be, we're not just sitting around waiting for a pod time to come up.

But then again, that's just me of course.

Conversation Interruptus....Continuus

Ignore me and continue... I just wanted to tell y'all how much I love y'all and thank all of you for the ripe old chuckle that I'm getting out of this.

Much love to all of you!!! It wouldn't be home without these kinds of discussions.

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I have thought long and hard about whether or not to post this log; and although I have a bad feeling that I shouldn't, I am going to anyways. This is a log from my first visit with Nick and friends in Nick White's Eder Kemo. I hope it clears up a few things, and I hope it does not cause any harm to the game, the story, the cavern, the community, the explorers, the DRC, or to Nick White. Please notice that Nick White was IC the whole time.

When we first arrived, Nick was able to send and receive PM's, but could not hear Age chat so he had to leave for a bit to get a fix from Laxman:

[spoiler](03/11 22:09:55) Nick White: Laxman fixed it.
(03/11 22:10:02) sil_oh_wet: welcome back Nick
(03/11 22:10:03) Jazz cheers
(03/11 22:10:03) Rils: good ole victor
(03/11 22:10:04) Heaven: Can you hear me now?
(03/11 22:10:11) Nick White: Yeah, it's all good now
(03/11 22:10:16) Heaven cheers
(03/11 22:10:23) Rils: he just bang on yer ki a couple times with a hammer?
(03/11 22:10:29) Nick White: Although Laxman warned me to not make people upset by hanging with a small group
(03/11 22:10:35) Heaven: good ol' Lax
(03/11 22:10:35) Nick White: So I can't stay too long.
(03/11 22:10:45) Jazz: Trust Victor
(03/11 22:10:47) Nick White: Papa Lax.
(03/11 22:10:50) sil_oh_wet: we wont tell him
(03/11 22:10:53) sil_oh_wet: if you wont
(03/11 22:10:54) Rils: he's a good guy, wish he came around more...
(03/11 22:11:01) Nick White: Too busy.
(03/11 22:11:14) Rils: even engineers need breaks though, eh?
(03/11 22:11:25) Nick White: True.
(03/11 22:11:30) Nick White: Lots of pressure on the guy.
(03/11 22:11:36) sil_oh_wet nods her head
(03/11 22:11:37) Rils: yeah?
(03/11 22:11:46) Nick White: All the KI Stuff.
(03/11 22:11:56) Nick White: All the devices, the Great Zero.
(03/11 22:11:58) Nick White: Overload.
(03/11 22:12:11) Rils: poor guy.
(03/11 22:12:11) sil_oh_wet: uhg
(03/11 22:12:23) Nick White: So you three are the colored hair sisters?
(03/11 22:12:25) Nick White: I like it.
(03/11 22:12:31) Rils: he's trying to fix up the GZ too, isn't he?
(03/11 22:12:36) sil_oh_wet: thanks :-)
(03/11 22:12:37) Nick White: Right.
(03/11 22:12:39) Nick White: He is.
(03/11 22:12:49) Jazz: Trust me to be different
(03/11 22:12:52) Heaven blushes
(03/11 22:12:54) sil_oh_wet: I love your go-tee thinga ma bobber
(03/11 22:13:01) Rils: I was sayin earlier I felt the need to dye my hair...
(03/11 22:13:07) Nick White: No kidding.
(03/11 22:13:09) Nick White: Mine too.
(03/11 22:13:21) Heaven roars with laughter
(03/11 22:13:21) Rils: dye the chin patch...
(03/11 22:13:22) Nick White: You three ladies have any ideas for what you would like to do for the DRC?
(03/11 22:13:27) sil_oh_wet: yes that chin hair would look good in hot pink
(03/11 22:13:31) Nick White: I will - good call. Next time you see me.
(03/11 22:13:36) Jazz: Whatever they want . . within reason. lol
(03/11 22:13:37) Rils: nice...
(03/11 22:13:46) sil_oh_wet: what would they have us do?
(03/11 22:14:03) Nick White: Seriously. we have Rils going to help on the Neg expedition... what do you see yourselves doing?
(03/11 22:14:04) Jazz hopes her harem remark was WAY off the mark now
(03/11 22:14:26) Heaven: Seems the explorers may need a spokesperson
(03/11 22:14:29) Nick White realizes if anything like that gets out he will be fired for sure.
(03/11 22:14:34) Jazz starts to laugh
(03/11 22:14:38) sil_oh_wet: wow I hadn't even thought anything, I wasn't aware the option was there
(03/11 22:14:46) Nick White: Well think about it.
(03/11 22:14:48) Nick White: We need help.
(03/11 22:14:58) Heaven: What areas?
(03/11 22:15:01) sil_oh_wet: I would love to help influence people with the current happenings
(03/11 22:15:07) Rils: what other areas do you need a hand in, Nick?
(03/11 22:15:10) Jazz: Liaison has a bad ring
(03/11 22:15:15) Nick White: Agree.
(03/11 22:15:31) Nick White: Although just the fact that you four are here in my Kemo will give you some celebrity when you get back.
(03/11 22:15:36) Jazz: But we could certainly 'help things along'
(03/11 22:15:38) Rils: PR? translations? research?
(03/11 22:15:44) sil_oh_wet: PR
(03/11 22:15:45) Nick White: I'll think about it.
(03/11 22:15:51) Nick White: We're always looking.
(03/11 22:16:02) Nick White: You be thinking as well.
(03/11 22:16:02) Jazz: If information needs to be circulated in a certain way
(03/11 22:16:14) Jazz: Not in a liaison type way
(03/11 22:16:18) Heaven: R & D
(03/11 22:16:20) Jazz: If you see what I mean

It begins to rain in Eder Kemo...

(03/11 22:16:33) Rils: bye bye bugs
(03/11 22:16:42) Jazz: What the hair girls!
(03/11 22:16:46) Jazz: Watch
(03/11 22:16:48) sil_oh_wet: lol
(03/11 22:16:52) Rils: lol
(03/11 22:16:57) sil_oh_wet: im meltingggggg ... meltinggg
(03/11 22:17:02) Nick White: I guess you lost your sil_oh
(03/11 22:17:07) Jazz roars with laughter
(03/11 22:17:10) Rils roars with laughter
(03/11 22:17:11) sil_oh_wet: now im just good old wet
(03/11 22:17:36) sil_oh_wet: nothing wrong with that
(03/11 22:17:43) Nick White does a dance
(03/11 22:17:52) Jazz: If it helps, I am in the UK
(03/11 22:17:57) Jazz: Time zones and things
(03/11 22:17:59) sil_oh_wet: I an in Vegas
(03/11 22:18:03) sil_oh_wet: am*
(03/11 22:18:12) Nick White: Alright.
(03/11 22:18:18) Nick White: Well, keep things in mind.
(03/11 22:18:25) Jazz: Sure
(03/11 22:18:27) Heaven: If Rils has the fauna covered, I suppose the flora would need investigation as well
(03/11 22:18:28) sil_oh_wet salutes
(03/11 22:18:34) Rils: what about posting things on the hood/classroom imagers?
(03/11 22:18:40) Nick White: Hmmm....
(03/11 22:18:54) Jazz: I think maybe information may need to be filtered personally?
(03/11 22:19:01) sil_oh_wet: I would love to be able to offer support
(03/11 22:19:02) Jazz: Sort of word of mouth may be better
(03/11 22:19:05) Rils: announcements, etc. just a thoughts.
(03/11 22:19:10) Nick White: Very much agree.
(03/11 22:19:11) sil_oh_wet: I want to srta right away
(03/11 22:19:12) Jazz: Rather than anything official
(03/11 22:19:15) sil_oh_wet: start*
(03/11 22:19:18) Jazz: Is that what you had in mind Nick?
(03/11 22:19:28) Nick White: Not sure I had anything specfic in mind.
(03/11 22:19:36) Nick White: I think we're going to try things out with Rils here and see how it goes.
(03/11 22:19:43) Jazz: Sure
(03/11 22:19:44) Rils: kind of a "create your own job"? ;)
(03/11 22:19:45) Nick White: there may be room in the future for further "openings"
(03/11 22:19:46) sil_oh_wet: guinee pig
(03/11 22:19:52) sil_oh_wet: giggle
(03/11 22:19:54) Nick White: That's our Rils.
(03/11 22:19:55) Rils: oink oink
(03/11 22:19:58) Jazz: guinea squee
(03/11 22:20:04) Rils: lol
(03/11 22:20:07) sil_oh_wet starts to laugh
(03/11 22:20:32) Rils: I know people have been lookin for ways to help out
(03/11 22:20:38) Rils: be a part of the restoration
(03/11 22:20:38) sil_oh_wet: well come find me when you are ready to commit
(03/11 22:20:44) Nick White: If Rils pans out, we may have need for more people to "contribute".
(03/11 22:20:45) Jazz: A nice people story would be good at the moment
(03/11 22:20:54) Nick White: I think we have one.
(03/11 22:20:58) Jazz: Exactly
(03/11 22:21:04) Nick White: Nick hanging out with the colored hair sisters and Rils.
(03/11 22:21:10) Nick White: I can hear the rumors now.
(03/11 22:21:11) Jazz: lol
(03/11 22:21:14) Rils: I'm so dying my hair...
(03/11 22:21:18) Jazz: If not, we can start them. lol
(03/11 22:21:20) sil_oh_wet: hmm what exactly did we do here in the garden
(03/11 22:21:26) sil_oh_wet thinks wildly
(03/11 22:21:27) Nick White: Just don't get me fired.
(03/11 22:21:33) Jazz: We played in the pool and the garden
(03/11 22:21:43) sil_oh_wet: I didnt bring any balls
(03/11 22:21:45) Rils: chasing bugs
(03/11 22:21:51) Jazz: Just don't go there sil
(03/11 22:22:00) Rils runs away
(03/11 22:22:04) Jazz starts to laugh
(03/11 22:22:08) sil_oh_wet: im not going anywhere til nick leaves
(03/11 22:22:09) Nick White asks himself what he has done
(03/11 22:22:14) sil_oh_wet: lol
(03/11 22:22:20) sil_oh_wet: im only kidding
(03/11 22:22:27) Rils pats Nick on the shoulder and sez "it'll be alright..."
(03/11 22:22:27) Nick White: Alright, good hanging with you all.
(03/11 22:22:40) Jazz: Keep in touch
(03/11 22:22:46) Heaven: We'll spread the word
(03/11 22:22:48) Nick White: Better than translating...
(03/11 22:22:51) Jazz: We'll keep on thinking
(03/11 22:22:53) Rils: If I think of anything, I'll let you know...
(03/11 22:22:57) Nick White: Cool.
(03/11 22:22:58) Jazz: Anything must be better than translating . . .
(03/11 22:23:06) sil_oh_wet: Yes, an honer to be considered
(03/11 22:23:13) Nick White: Especially Jazz, Heaven, and Sil_oh_wet
(03/11 22:23:18) Heaven blows you a kiss
(03/11 22:23:21) Nick White: and Rils of course.
(03/11 22:23:26) Rils bows
(03/11 22:23:27) Nick White bows
(03/11 22:23:29) Jazz blows Rils a kiss
(03/11 22:23:38) Rils: aww...
(03/11 22:23:40) sil_oh_wet kneels down...
(03/11 22:23:49) Nick White: I didn't get blown a kiss?
(03/11 22:23:54) Jazz: Aww
(03/11 22:23:58) Jazz blows Nick a kiss
(03/11 22:23:58) sil_oh_wet: im not kissing anyone
(03/11 22:24:01) Nick White catches it.
(03/11 22:24:06) Rils blows Nick... no, nevermind'
(03/11 22:24:07) sil_oh_wet: don;t want any rumors flying around
(03/11 22:24:12) Jazz roars with laughter
(03/11 22:24:20) Nick White: It must be time to leave.
(03/11 22:24:23) Rils: DOH
(03/11 22:24:23) sil_oh_wet giggles
(03/11 22:24:27) Jazz: Better watch Rils in the pod
(03/11 22:24:31) Rils: coulda sed that better...
(03/11 22:24:42) Rils: apologies
(03/11 22:24:52) Nick White: No kidding. I won't tell Sharper that incident.
(03/11 22:24:59) Jazz starts to laugh
(03/11 22:24:59) Rils: When ARE we going hunting, anyways?
(03/11 22:25:02) sil_oh_wet: Sharper Rocks
(03/11 22:25:04) Nick White: He'll bring extra guns.
(03/11 22:25:14) Jazz: Tranquilizer guns
(03/11 22:25:19) Nick White: Alright good seeing you all.
(03/11 22:25:23) Jazz: Bye
(03/11 22:25:24) Nick White: We'll talk again later.
(03/11 22:25:27) sil_oh_wet: Thanks for the visit
(03/11 22:25:28) Nick White: Have a good one.
(03/11 22:25:29) Rils: cool. Thanks Nick!
(03/11 22:25:31) Heaven: Thanks Nicky[/spoiler]

My purpose for posting this is to show others that we CAN play a role in the story, that the ending has not been written. If you look closely at my log and Sydney's you will see that these plot lines were created by the explorers. Nick may have helped guide it, but the original ideas came from the players. You may not agree with his involvement, but I truly believe he was acting in our own best interest.

Sorry, Nick, I hope this doesn't get you in more trouble than you're already in. I look forward to seeing you in the cavern again soon.

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Heaven, don't feel bad about posting this chatlog. It only confirms what many among the explorers have suspected for a long time: that it was planned in advance with a little help from Cyan. Or rather a loose frame was constructed and then followed the real time improvisation. And as with all improvisation it either works or it dosen't and we will only discover that, as the little interactive stories unfold. For a beginning of user generated plots I don't think we (or you) have done badly.
Of course these kinds of initiatives interfere deeply with the personal Uru movie that is going on in every explorers heads and can therefore be very disturbing. Out of sheer disappointment many explorers may even raise the question why did Cyan choose "them" and not "me" ?
But all living and ongoing processes need adjusting all the time, and hopefully, we will all eventually leave our thumbprints on this game.


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K'laamas wrote:
es, the chat-log w/Sydney, Jazz, & Nick White shows that Nick was involved with this OOC. But therein lies the problem. Nick White is an IC character, and the person who plays/controls him from Cyan was acting OOC.

Personally, I think that's why Cate said Nick was "on probation from the DRC for a couple weeks". The person who plays/controls Nick got "too involved" with the explorers OOC.

Honestly, do you really think that could happen? It makes no sense that one of the actors could go rogue like that, and keep it up for almost two months with nobody catching on to it.

I have no doubt that the cast and writers at Cyan have regular story meetings, and regular group postmortem examinations of the logs from every interaction between one of their characters and the explorers. While the actors improv during their appearances, every appearance is likely scheduled and possible interactions discussed in advance. There must be a framework in place to keep the story within the overall arc that is planned.

So many people seem to be reading "messages from Cyan" into every action of their characters. When Cate took the DRC forums down back in February, a large number of people were sure that this was done for OOC reasons because those forums (especially the liaison forum) were getting too out of hand. So, we all sat around for a couple of days debating it on the forums instead of doing something about it down in the Cavern. But we were told back then that the actions of the characters are to be interpreted IC, not as Cyan's actions OOC, and that our response to them should be IC. It appears that many people have still not absorbed that lesson.

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BrettM wrote:
K'laamas wrote:
es, the chat-log w/Sydney, Jazz, & Nick White shows that Nick was involved with this OOC. But therein lies the problem. Nick White is an IC character, and the person who plays/controls him from Cyan was acting OOC.

Personally, I think that's why Cate said Nick was "on probation from the DRC for a couple weeks". The person who plays/controls Nick got "too involved" with the explorers OOC.

Honestly, do you really think that could happen? It makes no sense that one of the actors could go rogue like that, and keep it up for almost two months with nobody catching on to it.

I have no doubt that the cast and writers at Cyan have regular story meetings, and regular group postmortem examinations of the logs from every interaction between one of their characters and the explorers. While the actors improv during their appearances, every appearance is likely scheduled and possible interactions discussed in advance. There must be a framework in place to keep the story within the overall arc that is planned.

So many people seem to be reading "messages from Cyan" into every action of their characters. When Cate took the DRC forums down back in February, a large number of people were sure that this was done for OOC reasons because those forums (especially the liaison forum) were getting too out of hand. So, we all sat around for a couple of days debating it on the forums instead of doing something about it down in the Cavern. But we were told back then that the actions of the characters are to be interpreted IC, not as Cyan's actions OOC, and that our response to them should be IC. It appears that many people have still not absorbed that lesson.



Yeah, that.

I can say with almost complete certainty that everything Cyan's actors have done is approved of by the higher-ups at Cyan. Rogue actors don't just happen and not get noticed.


Brett also has another extremely good point in this post. We need to stop treating things the DRC say as OOC statements about this or that. They're IC characters. If Cyan wanted the ADM to knock it off, they WOULDN'T send Cate in and call the leaders of the ADM arrogant, naive, and maybe stupid. They'd have GreyDragon step in and say "hey, knock it off". This has been proved time and time again.

With the whole "superjump over the barriers at the top of the great stairs" debacle, this was made clear the first time. The DRC were okay with people being total morons and jumping off the roofs of buildings. Cyan was not.

And now it's happening again, and we've got the same response. "Oh, Cyan must be telling us to knock it off through Cate."

NO! If Cyan wanted you to knock it off, they'd say it unambiguously through their employees, not through one of their story constructs.

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BrettM wrote:
When Cate took the DRC forums down back in February, a large number of people were sure that this was done for OOC reasons because those forums (especially the liaison forum) were getting too out of hand. So, we all sat around for a couple of days debating it on the forums instead of doing something about it down in the Cavern. But we were told back then that the actions of the characters are to be interpreted IC, not as Cyan's actions OOC, and that our response to them should be IC. It appears that many people have still not absorbed that lesson.

This would have been far more clear if the OOC forum and real life PMs had not also been taken down by Cate, an IC character. She should only have been able to touch the IC forums. At least for my part, it would have drastically reduced my post count on the matter and forced me into an IC solution. Cyan broke the IC/OOC trust and gave us good reason to believe it was an OOC issue. RAWA later said they hadn't considered the implications.

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[JWPlatt's] point was this: Just as OOC things can have an impact within the IC world, the IC action of removing the DRC forums took away his access, OOCly, to the OOC forum here at drcsite (and also his private messages, which probably deserve to fall under the OOC category as well). And JWPlatt took objection to that. He's definitely not confusing IC and OOC here.

Ah, I understand now. A valid point, indeed. Yet another apology is in order. I seem to be having to make a lot of those lately. You (collective “you”) are correct, and I’m sorry that we didn’t think of bringing the OOC forums back seperately from the IC forums. That would have made a lot more sense.

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Yes, the chat-log w/Sydney, Jazz, & Nick White shows that Nick was involved with this OOC. But therein lies the problem. Nick White is an IC character, and the person who plays/controls him from Cyan was acting OOC.


I've read the chat-logs w/Sydney, Jazz, & Nick White, and it seems to me that Nick White was always IC. Can you show any quotes that are clearly OOC? Maybe I missed something.

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Is all this bickering and everything actually supposed to be part of Cyan's storyline and condoned by them? I'd like to see someone post a definitive answer on that in blue here... 'Cuz if this is official story, I'm outta here. X|


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SCGreyWolf wrote:
Is all this bickering and everything actually supposed to be part of Cyan's storyline and condoned by them? I'd like to see someone post a definitive answer on that in blue here... 'Cuz if this is official story, I'm outta here. X|



Man, you just kindof srewed your chances of getting a blue response. Because I think you're not going to like the answer, and they won't like your response to that answer, so... :wink:


Maybe I'm wrong, but this looks like it was planned at least in some form.

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Maratanos wrote:
SCGreyWolf wrote:
Is all this bickering and everything actually supposed to be part of Cyan's storyline and condoned by them? I'd like to see someone post a definitive answer on that in blue here... 'Cuz if this is official story, I'm outta here. X|



Man, you just kindof srewed your chances of getting a blue response. Because I think you're not going to like the answer, and they won't like your response to that answer, so... :wink:


Maybe I'm wrong, but this looks like it was planned at least in some form.


That's why I wanted a blue answer. We don't know. And I never said I'd wait an eternity for a blue response...


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There is only this. Sydney's reference to "storyline" takes this discussion into OOC, in my opinion. Nick does not appear to slip out of IC, but his bolded comment at the end is clearly Cyan-driven. I believe "people being mad" is misguided and it is Cyan's conceit to pursue it so relentlessly despite substantial outcry. Emotion is fine. Making the community angry is not. The reality is IC and OOC will always get mixed in a larger community of casual players and Cyan needs to acknowledge that. We'll have to wait to see if the lesson is taken seriously this time.

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(03/28 16:54:34) Sydney Austin: Any thoughts on my storyline idea
(03/28 16:54:46) Nick White: Anti-restoration?
(03/28 16:54:49) Sydney Austin: Yes
(03/28 16:54:54) Nick White: You do what you do.
(03/28 16:55:05) Sydney Austin: K
(03/28 16:55:36) Sydney Austin: Just wondering if there was a need
(03/28 16:55:43) Nick White: there's always a need.
(03/28 16:55:46) Sydney Austin: Lol
(03/28 16:55:48) Nick White: Some work and some don't.
(03/28 16:55:52) Nick White: But we'll see...
(03/28 16:55:59) Sydney Austin: My last failed
(03/28 16:56:02) Sydney Austin: Lol
(03/28 16:56:13) Nick White: You didn't try long enough.
(03/28 16:56:25) Sydney Austin: The fourum angry me off
(03/28 16:56:26) Nick White: These things take time.
(03/28 16:56:31) Nick White: You can't let that happen.
(03/28 16:56:40) Sydney Austin: it doesn't anymore
(03/28 16:56:46) Sydney Austin: Don't post to them
(03/28 16:56:49) Nick White: People being mad are good - creates controversy.
(03/28 16:56:53) Nick White: And emotion.

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What I get from that log is a Cyan actor repeatedly taking his NPC out of IC. To me the conversation is essentially all OCC.

If "Nick" had been played IC, we would have gotten:

(03/28 16:54:34) Sydney Austin: Any thoughts on my storyline idea
(03/28 16:54:46) Nick White: Storyline?

And:

(03/28 16:56:25) Sydney Austin: The fourum angry me off
(03/28 16:56:26) Nick White: Forum?

And no way would we have gotten:

(03/28 16:56:49) Nick White: People being mad are good - creates controversy.
(03/28 16:56:53) Nick White: And emotion.

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Cyan broke the IC/OOC trust and gave us good reason to believe it was an OOC issue. RAWA later said they hadn't considered the implications.

Reading the Nick White logs, I don't see where anything has changed.

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EDIT: IC/OCC analysis aside, I'm appalled by this Cyanist's blatant encouragement of a player to foment anger among other players.

(03/28 16:55:59) Sydney Austin: My last failed
(03/28 16:56:02) Sydney Austin: Lol
(03/28 16:56:13) Nick White: You didn't try long enough.
(03/28 16:56:25) Sydney Austin: The fourum angry me off
(03/28 16:56:26) Nick White: These things take time.
(03/28 16:56:31) Nick White: You can't let that happen.

This is so below the belt, so far below the bar that Rand has set over the years, as to be astonishing. Cyan is mistaken if they think this sort of manipulation of their players won't come back to bite them -- and I don't mean in the bottom line.


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