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I'd be interested in that chatlog as well.
My personal take on Reteltee's words in the Cavern the last couple of days is that he seems bound two ways: by an OOC NDA thingy he has with Cyan (like instructions when to give out what information and what is confident) and additionally, IC, within the story, confidentiality agreements with the DRC (these must be much more strict than the real OOC ones, otherwise he wouldn't have spilt so much, his character seems to have been used as story device). I am not sure if this is due to difficulties related to communication Cyan-Reteltee or to Reteltee's inexperience walking the line of IC and OOC, but I see him struggling hard with that line and mixing it up sometimes. (I have difficulties telling when he speaks of the DRC as code word for Cyan and his OOC confidentiality and when he just speaks ICly of the DRC as characters)
For example, it makes no sense to privately show another player pictures of a Bahro encounter on Relto, first say thats confident, then agree that the conversation can go public, afterwards publicly acknowledge the fact of a Bahro encounter and agree on sharing KI pics and report later on and again the next day keeping quiet about it for apparently both IC and OOC reasons. To me that show's Reteltee is unsure as to which of his confidentiality agreements apply when and how far and when his "hint at the storyline" agreements would apply (since all of this is not related to his position as guild advisor at all).
While issues like this tend to bug me a lot, because to me transparency and sharing the game's lore and information freely among all players is extremely important, and I dislike confusion of IC and OOC (especially concerning the ties DRC-Cyan), I think it's also very important to keep the following in mind:
This is "just a game", Reteltee is bound by OOC agreements he just cant break, he seems to be trying hard and it might be necessary to just turn a blind eye once in a while towards these mush-ups. I don't hold Reteltee fully accountable as to his difficulties managing these problems. It's always been a big difficulty. Might have been with the liaisons, definitely was the case with the Calam, Thend, Sidney/Jazz incidents. It's just extremely hard to handle; Cyan can't ever comment on the inside aspects of it, nor can those involved. And would be a shame if this caused trouble again among players and/or hurt Reteltees position as guild advisor. Peace is important here.
That said, ICly it definitely increased my paranoia towards the DRC, and in game I might be back to asking them uncomfortable questions. ;)


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[spoiler=Reteltee in the Revelations neighborhood](09/10 00:31:52) J.D. Barnes: Shorah Reteltee. It's nice to finally meet you.
(09/10 00:31:52) Reteltee extends his hand to Mr. Branes
(09/10 00:31:53) Marten: Wb, Reteltee.
(09/10 00:32:06) Reteltee: A pleasure to meet you as well J.D
(09/10 00:32:12) J.D. Barnes shakes hands with Reteltee.
(09/10 00:32:36) Reteltee: Did I miss anything good?
(09/10 00:32:53) JWPlatt: Just a little discussion about Sharper.
(09/10 00:32:55) J.D. Barnes: We were talking about Mr. Sharper.
(09/10 00:32:58) Reteltee: Ah
(09/10 00:33:22) Marten: I was explaining that while Douglas has always told the truth, his motives should still remain suspect.
(09/10 00:33:33) J.D. Barnes: He seems to think the Cavern is in immediate and grave danger. What's your opinion on that?
(09/10 00:33:41) Reteltee: Mine?
(09/10 00:33:49) J.D. Barnes nods his head
(09/10 00:33:54) Reteltee: I agree with him, though quite possibly for different reasons
(09/10 00:34:06) J.D. Barnes: Can you share those with us?
(09/10 00:34:32) Reteltee: Well, I'm not sure that his perception of the Bahro are at all accurate
(09/10 00:34:46) J.D. Barnes: How so?
(09/10 00:35:06) Reteltee: Their actions may not be the ones we have to fear
(09/10 00:35:31) J.D. Barnes: What particular actions should we fear, in your opinion?
(09/10 00:35:35) Reteltee: I feel the DRC (Cate especially) has done a lot more to endanger the Explorers than the Bahro, Wheely notwitstanding
(09/10 00:36:03) Marten: Will Cate's actions bring the Bahro war to the cavern?
(09/10 00:36:04) J.D. Barnes: That is interesting.
(09/10 00:36:16) Reteltee: Doesn't it seem that the DRC has been encouraging the factioning and fractioning of the Explorer community?
(09/10 00:36:33) Marten is a bit puzzled...
(09/10 00:36:41) Reteltee: Perhaps that's just my perception...but then, they've been using me to do it, in some part
(09/10 00:36:45) J.D. Barnes: Some would argue that it needs no help, such as the former Liaisons.
(09/10 00:37:06) Marten: I see the guilds as an opportunity for organization, rather than fracturing.
(09/10 00:37:11) Reteltee: Perhaps, but now there seems to be a different tone
(09/10 00:37:12) Tai'lahr: But, they were the real problem behind that issue, too!
(09/10 00:37:14) Reteltee: Marten, I agree
(09/10 00:37:15) Marten: Unless you mean fracturing along the guild lines themselves.
(09/10 00:37:24) Reteltee: I think the Guilds are our only hope of survival in this Cavern
(09/10 00:37:32) Marten: But the point of the guilds is to smooth the interaction between those groups.
(09/10 00:37:34) J.D. Barnes: Why is that? Specifically?
(09/10 00:37:48) JWPlatt: The Guilds will also be a source of great political turmoil.
(09/10 00:38:07) Reteltee: Because whatever is coming to this Cavern, only the Explorers as a unified group can withstand it...otherwise, I fear we are heading for the Second Fall
(09/10 00:38:36) Reteltee: I believe the Guilds could have saved D'ni, had they not been arrogant
(09/10 00:38:45) Reteltee: But they became proud and complacent
(09/10 00:38:57) Reteltee: I fear some Explorers may have followed the same path
(09/10 00:39:10) JWPlatt: Isn't that inevitable over long periods of time? All things fall.
(09/10 00:39:13) Reteltee: And I believe the Guilds may override that tendency, at least in the majority
(09/10 00:39:26) J.D. Barnes: It's diffuclt to defend against a pair of madmen with nothing to lose, no matter how organized you are.
(09/10 00:39:43) J.D. Barnes: How would these new Guilds be different?
(09/10 00:40:04) Reteltee: It wasn't just a pair though; Veovis and the Philosopher tapped into a resentment that lay deep within the underclasses of the D'ni
(09/10 00:40:32) Reteltee: And the heart of that resentment was the elitism of the Guilds
(09/10 00:40:42) Reteltee: The exclusion of those deemed "unworthy"
(09/10 00:41:19) J.D. Barnes: Elitism has existed in almost every known society over five people in the history of the world. How do the Guilds counter that?
(09/10 00:41:28) Tai'lahr: I can see how that very thing could happen with the new guilds.
(09/10 00:41:30) Reteltee: They don't, at least, not automatically
(09/10 00:41:41) JWPlatt: Would the Guild structure itself be responsible for its fate? Will it not repeat its own history?
(09/10 00:41:57) Reteltee: We have to make that choice as Explorers; the Guilds merely give us both the impetus, and the structure to do so
(09/10 00:42:31) Reteltee: I don't know that it will work; as I say, I simply believe it is our only chance
(09/10 00:43:02) Reteltee: But, the DRC is either blind to the truth, or is being willfully ignorant
(09/10 00:43:16) J.D. Barnes: Or have other goals.
(09/10 00:43:25) Reteltee: Indeed
(09/10 00:43:31) Reteltee: Which is a disturbing thought to me
(09/10 00:43:43) Reteltee: Which is why I pray ferverently for Watson's return
(09/10 00:44:00) JWPlatt: Is the DRC collectively behind and supporting the formation of the Guilds? Or just one or two people like Cate?
(09/10 00:44:02) Marten: I wish we had more information.
(09/10 00:44:12) Marten: Do you think Dr. Watson would be more forthcoming?
(09/10 00:44:14) Reteltee: So far as I know JW, it's the entire DRC
(09/10 00:44:25) Reteltee: I don't know Marten....he has been away a long time
(09/10 00:44:40) Reteltee: It may take time for him to reassociate himself with the happenings in the Cavern
(09/10 00:44:47) Marten: Earlier comments, I think you hinted you don't think the DRC would permit Watson to resume his position.
(09/10 00:44:57) J.D. Barnes: So you know definitively he is on his way?
(09/10 00:45:01) Reteltee: No Marten, I don't think Watson would take his old position
(09/10 00:45:16) Reteltee: I simply hold onto hope J.D.
(09/10 00:45:21) Tai'lahr: But, maybe he would work with the explorers in other ways.
(09/10 00:45:28) Reteltee: I certainly hope so Tai
(09/10 00:45:38) Marten: I would think that retaking his position would be the best way to steer the DRC away from disaster.
(09/10 00:45:52) J.D. Barnes: That may no longer be an option, Marten
(09/10 00:45:58) Reteltee: The DRC is no longer the organization he founded Marten
(09/10 00:46:01) Tai'lahr: Hmm, but that might be too logical for them, Marten.
(09/10 00:46:12) Reteltee: I don't think he would associate with this new Don't Ruin the Cavern
(09/10 00:46:18) Marten: I prefer not to dismiss options during the brainstorming phase.
(09/10 00:46:41) Reteltee: Our dismissing them will have no impact upon Watson's choice ;)
(09/10 00:47:08) Reteltee: He will do as he will do; I simply don't believe it's in his character to join with this new DRC
(09/10 00:47:24) JWPlatt: The positions and purpose of the DRC have not changed. Just the people. Though he may have changed.
(09/10 00:47:27) Marten: Another concern. Many new explorers know very little about Dr. Watson. They might not be keen to follow him.
(09/10 00:47:40) Tai'lahr: Unless he thought he could do more good that way - by working from within the council.
(09/10 00:47:50) Reteltee: Well, the same could be said of Phend
(09/10 00:48:13) Marten: But Phil was never a council member... only a worker for them. Who strayed, in a sense.
(09/10 00:48:16) Tai'lahr: Yes, and Phend isn't doing much to endear himself to new explorers.
(09/10 00:48:35) Marten: Phil spoke more sense on his initial return. I wonder if he got hit with a rock since then.
(09/10 00:48:57) JWPlatt smiles
(09/10 00:49:02) Reteltee: I think Phil is walking a line I wouldn't wish to tread
(09/10 00:49:20) Reteltee: As I said before...when you stare into the void, sometimes the void stares back
(09/10 00:49:32) Reteltee: I wouldn't want to see what Phil has seen
(09/10 00:49:45) Marten: I'd be willing to see what Phil has seen.
(09/10 00:49:47) J.D. Barnes: Reteltee, so you are worried that the DRC is fracturing the explorer community intentionally. And that this threatens our survival. Can you tell us more, Reteltee?
(09/10 00:49:53) Marten: I'm more concerned with what Douglas has seen.
(09/10 00:50:26) Reteltee: I wish I could J.D.
(09/10 00:50:32) Reteltee: I'm afraid I don't know more though
(09/10 00:50:39) Reteltee: Cate won't respond to me
(09/10 00:50:46) Reteltee: Marie is strictly Guild business
(09/10 00:50:56) Reteltee: And I've had no contact with any other DRC members
(09/10 00:51:34) Reteltee: And when I DO speak to Marie, she is quick to remind me that I am their Guild Advisor
(09/10 00:51:39) J.D. Barnes: hmm...
(09/10 00:51:50) JWPlatt: You're only directives are from Marie?
(09/10 00:51:51) Reteltee: As though my opinion or suggestions in other areas are of no consequence
(09/10 00:51:52) Marten scans over Douglas' comments from a short while ago.
(09/10 00:52:04) Reteltee: Not originally JW
(09/10 00:52:11) Reteltee: I originally had contact with both Cate and Marie
(09/10 00:52:20) Marten: May I ask, your opinion of Marie?
(09/10 00:52:20) Reteltee: but in the last few weeks....Cate's gone silent on me
(09/10 00:52:26) Reteltee: Marie is a dear
(09/10 00:52:38) Reteltee: Who is unfortunately in an awkward place and time
(09/10 00:52:44) Marten: She's always seemed like the nice one to me.
(09/10 00:52:49) Reteltee: But I think the world of her
(09/10 00:53:06) Reteltee: And I don't think she intends anything but the good of the Explorers
(09/10 00:53:09) J.D. Barnes: She was unsure of the new DRC structure at first. it seems she toes the line now.
(09/10 00:53:27) Reteltee: But nevertheless, she has acquiesced to Cate's leadership of the Council
(09/10 00:53:31) Marten: She certainly keeps her public appearances to a minimum.
(09/10 00:53:33) Tai'lahr: That doesn't sound quite right.
(09/10 00:53:45) Reteltee: What doesn't Tai?
(09/10 00:53:52) Tai'lahr: Something about that just doesn't feel quite right to me.
(09/10 00:54:03) Marten: Reteltee, do you think the DRC may fall apart? What if Marie left? If Watson and Engberg both returned and she joined them.
(09/10 00:54:04) Reteltee: About what?
(09/10 00:54:16) Reteltee: Now THAT would be something Marten
(09/10 00:54:18) Marten: It would be 3 vs 3 then wouldn't it?
(09/10 00:54:20) Tai'lahr: That Marie didn't agree with Cate taking control, but now she's suddenly gone quiet on the subject?
(09/10 00:54:33) JWPlatt: And your advisories, Reteltee, they only go through Marie?
(09/10 00:54:42) Reteltee: Currently, yes JW
(09/10 00:54:43) J.D. Barnes: Tai, none of it feels right. There are too many actions without discernable reasons.
(09/10 00:54:44) Marten: Laxman probably wouldn't know which side to be on. I get the feeling he cannot stand the politics.
(09/10 00:55:00) Marten: Tai: Quiet is safe.
(09/10 00:55:18) Tai'lahr: Ah, good point, Marten.
(09/10 00:55:33) Tai'lahr: Still, it bothers me.
(09/10 00:55:53) J.D. Barnes: We are missing some key pieces of information...
(09/10 00:56:00) Marten: Although you know my viewpoint, I'd rather be noisy and in danger.
(09/10 00:56:14) Reteltee: Lol
(09/10 00:56:18) Tai'lahr: Typical explorer attitude! lol
(09/10 00:56:27) Marten: Just as I prefer to stand my ground and not settle for small bits of information - demand it all.
(09/10 00:56:30) JWPlatt: We have no position to lose.
(09/10 00:56:56) J.D. Barnes: JW, very true. Well, all of us except Reteltee.
(09/10 00:56:59) JWPlatt: Well, most of us.
(09/10 00:57:02) JWPlatt: Yes
(09/10 00:57:05) J.D. Barnes: I don't envy your position.
(09/10 00:57:19) Reteltee: I hear that a lot J.D.
(09/10 00:57:25) Marten: The higher you go, the longer the fall.
(09/10 00:57:35) Reteltee: Like a blanket of ice, it is a cold comfort....but better than none at all
(09/10 00:57:53) Marten: Then the ice weasels come.
(09/10 00:58:03) Reteltee: the weasels aren't bad
(09/10 00:58:09) Reteltee: It's ice gnomes that freak me out
(09/10 00:58:12) Reteltee: Small hands
(09/10 00:58:17) Reteltee: Smell like cabbage
(09/10 00:58:23) Reteltee: Gnomeads you know
(09/10 00:58:24) Marten: Eww.
(09/10 00:58:28) Reteltee: *Gnome-ads
(09/10 00:58:33) J.D. Barnes: Is there anything else that you might be able to tell us, Reteltee? Anything might be useful, even if it seems unimportant.
(09/10 00:58:43) Tai'lahr: Scuse me? Have you been smoking what Phil has?
(09/10 00:58:52) Reteltee: I'm afraid not J.D.
(09/10 00:58:56) Reteltee: I don't smoke Tai
(09/10 00:58:58) Reteltee: ;)
(09/10 00:59:01) Tai'lahr: lol
(09/10 00:59:14) Marten: Something more than 'Phil is odd and the Bahro are evil, won't you get that into your thick skulls?" as Douglas said a short bit ago
(09/10 00:59:41) Tai'lahr: He really said that?
(09/10 00:59:41) Reteltee: Lol
(09/10 00:59:50) J.D. Barnes: Hrm. when you said you were being "Watched", do you think the DRC is watching your actions that closely, or did you mean something else?
(09/10 01:00:29) Reteltee: Yes
(09/10 01:00:38) Marten: Very Kosh of you, Reteltee.
(09/10 01:00:51) J.D. Barnes: Mind sharing that 'else' with us?
(09/10 01:00:57) Reteltee: I'd love to
(09/10 01:01:04) J.D. Barnes: But you can't?
(09/10 01:01:10) Reteltee touches his nose
(09/10 01:01:17) Reteltee: You're sharper than you look
(09/10 01:01:21) Reteltee: No offense
(09/10 01:01:21) JWPlatt: Reteltee, the reason I thought it would be interesting to have this discussion here tonight was to address some things that I felt were brushed aside earlier in other chats you've had...
(09/10 01:01:44) Reteltee: Yeah, I dug that earlier JW
(09/10 01:01:53) JWPlatt: In particular, Marten asked a question about secrecy which I was very interested in seeing the answer to...
(09/10 01:02:06) J.D. Barnes: I think he has been more forthcoming than before.
(09/10 01:02:32) Reteltee: I do what I can
(09/10 01:02:44) Reteltee: Having information can be a double-edged sword
(09/10 01:02:51) Reteltee: But one side may be sharper than the other
(09/10 01:03:09) J.D. Barnes raises an eyebrow.
(09/10 01:03:47) JWPlatt: And I was wondering if you would take the opportunity to give the issue Marten raised some serious consideration.
(09/10 01:03:47) Reteltee: What was Marten's question about secrecy?
(09/10 01:03:55) Reteltee: Sure thing
(09/10 01:04:31) Marten: Alright. Without the analogies, as you seem too fond of those...
(09/10 01:05:03) Reteltee: I only speak in myst-eries when I have to
(09/10 01:05:20) J.D. Barnes: myst-eries, eh?
(09/10 01:05:23) Tai'lahr rolls her eyes
(09/10 01:05:39) Marten: I'd like to better understand your position that if you don't keep some secrets, the DRC will cut you off entirely. Why is that better in the long term than making a stand for openness, forthrightness, honesty?
(09/10 01:05:41) Reteltee: As I've said before, the clues are there...at least as much as I dare reveal
(09/10 01:06:14) Tai'lahr: Some people are saying that you're starting to act just like the DRC.
(09/10 01:06:16) Reteltee: Because if I made a stand, Cate would simply say "thanks for your services" and continue with the secrets and deception
(09/10 01:06:29) Marten: My feeling is that by being complicit with how they want to do things, you're an enabler.
(09/10 01:06:35) Reteltee: Perhaps
(09/10 01:06:39) Reteltee: I don't know
(09/10 01:06:46) Marten: I'd appreciate if you'd think about it.
(09/10 01:06:54) Reteltee: I didn't ask to be the DRC's In-Cavern whipping boy
(09/10 01:07:17) Reteltee: They could have made things easier by just painting a bullseye on my forhead and giving the Explorers guns
(09/10 01:07:40) Marten: True. But there's easy... and then there's right.
(09/10 01:07:42) Tai'lahr: You're right, and we should be grateful that you're not trying to run and hide from explorers and their questions.
(09/10 01:07:43) Reteltee: Not that I mind
(09/10 01:07:52) JWPlatt: That could be true. :) I have a specific question for you...
(09/10 01:07:54) Reteltee: Well, I believe in this community
(09/10 01:07:56) J.D. Barnes: ReteYou are a Liaison in truth if not in name, it seems.
(09/10 01:07:59) J.D. Barnes smirks.
(09/10 01:08:03) Reteltee: :P
(09/10 01:08:06) Marten: I am grateful. I hope you understand that I feel obligated to ask hard questions though.
(09/10 01:08:18) Reteltee: And I feel obligated to answer with all the honesty I can
(09/10 01:08:25) J.D. Barnes: I respect that Reteltee.
(09/10 01:08:35) Reteltee: And if I can't be honest, then I at least try to give enough to INFER the truth
(09/10 01:08:42) J.D. Barnes: I don't want you to think otherwise.
(09/10 01:08:44) Reteltee: (By I can't be honest, I mean forthright)
(09/10 01:08:50) Marten: JW working on your question?
(09/10 01:08:53) JWPlatt: I'm not fully aware of what happened between you and a Bahro on your Relto, but from what I gather, it spoke to you. Did I get that right?
(09/10 01:08:59) Reteltee: Yes
(09/10 01:09:06) JWPlatt: That's pretty awesome.
(09/10 01:09:09) Reteltee: No
(09/10 01:09:16) JWPlatt: Ok, or not. :)
(09/10 01:09:19) Reteltee: At least, I don't think so
(09/10 01:09:23) Marten: Not awesome because it wasn't meant to be?
(09/10 01:09:31) Reteltee: You think PHIL is disturbed?
(09/10 01:09:39) Reteltee: Yeah, you don't know the half of it
(09/10 01:09:52) JWPlatt: Now, if that would have happened to me, I'd want to tell everyone I knew, or at least a few close friends...
(09/10 01:09:58) J.D. Barnes: Do the details of that experience fall under the category if 'I cannot talk about it'?
(09/10 01:10:00) Reteltee: And that's the main reason why I've been....different
(09/10 01:10:10) Reteltee: Yes J.D
(09/10 01:10:11) Marten: I really only have one other question about that.
(09/10 01:10:20) Marten: Can you speculate on whether it was a good or bad bahro?
(09/10 01:10:29) Reteltee: I'm not sure there's any difference
(09/10 01:10:51) Reteltee: As someone once said, "Many of the truths we cling to depend entirely on our own point of view"
(09/10 01:10:53) JWPlatt: Were you saying you understood what it was telling you?
(09/10 01:10:55) Marten: Hmmm. That runs counter to what Phil said.
(09/10 01:11:15) Reteltee: Phil perceives things differently than I do
(09/10 01:11:21) Reteltee: I'm certain
(09/10 01:11:35) Reteltee: Perhaps he knows better than I
(09/10 01:11:42) Reteltee: I don't claim to know anything at all
(09/10 01:11:44) JWPlatt: Did you understand its message?
(09/10 01:11:48) Reteltee: At least, not about this
(09/10 01:12:01) Reteltee: JW; yes, and no
(09/10 01:12:17) Marten: While I agree with the "world is not black and white" aspect of what you say... I do think resorting to violence over diplomacy ties into a rather widely held believe of what is "evil."
(09/10 01:12:27) Marten: belief.
(09/10 01:12:51) Reteltee: Depends; generally we believe that creatures have a right to defend themselves; especially sentient ones
(09/10 01:12:59) Tai'lahr: Words are a powerful thing.
(09/10 01:13:05) Reteltee: We might think we're harmless
(09/10 01:13:10) Reteltee: The Bahro may not agree
(09/10 01:13:17) JWPlatt: I'm not asking you to reveal it if you don't want to, but as you described yourself as like "every other explorer," I think any other explorer would spread the message. My question is why won't you?
(09/10 01:13:17) J.D. Barnes: Do you agree?
(09/10 01:13:22) Tai'lahr: Do you think of the "Bahro" as creatures, Reteltee? As "Beast People"?
(09/10 01:13:42) Tai'lahr: Is that an accurate term for these sentient beings?
(09/10 01:13:45) Reteltee: Why won't I JW? Because I'm sharper than the average bear, and I know how to not get myself killed
(09/10 01:13:52) Marten: Of course we're not harmless. That doesn't, in my opinion, justify Wheely's death.
(09/10 01:13:56) Reteltee: I am a creature Tai
(09/10 01:14:11) JWPlatt: I just would not have that fear. Neither would any other explorer, as far as I know.
(09/10 01:14:11) Tai'lahr: Perhaps we should stop using the term the D'ni used to refer to slaves.
(09/10 01:14:12) Reteltee: I think we have the capacity to destroy JD
(09/10 01:14:24) J.D. Barnes: Killed? Who do you think would take that sort of action against you?
(09/10 01:14:29) Reteltee: If you know of something else to call them
(09/10 01:14:47) Tai'lahr: Vahkro - Linking People
(09/10 01:15:03) Reteltee: JD
(09/10 01:15:23) Reteltee: Have you played a Nintendo DS?
(09/10 01:15:30) Marten: We could go on for hours over past transgressions of the human race, the death we've brought to new places and worlds, intentionally and unintentionally.
(09/10 01:15:52) J.D. Barnes: No, I little too analog for such things.
(09/10 01:15:58) Marten: I'm not going to touch you, Reteltee.
(09/10 01:16:15) Reteltee: I don't fear you Marten, nor any other Explorer
(09/10 01:16:42) Marten was making a reference to the Nintendo DS marketing.
(09/10 01:16:50) Reteltee: Marketing?
(09/10 01:16:53) Reteltee: *sigh*
(09/10 01:16:56) Marten: The "touch me" slogan. :)
(09/10 01:17:04) Reteltee: If you think that's what it was, you're missing the point
(09/10 01:17:11) Reteltee: As I said, the clues are there
(09/10 01:17:22) Reteltee: He who has eyes, let him see
(09/10 01:17:28) JWPlatt: I hope you'll understand that the message from a Bahro sounds like a tease. Something the DRC or someone else with ulterior motives would use for manipulation. Because if it were so threatening, it would be smarter to not reveal you heard anything.
(09/10 01:17:33) Reteltee: For the pen is sharper than the sword
(09/10 01:17:49) Marten: Your comment was completely out of the blue. ('course, you're wearing blue.) What does playing a Nintendo DS have to do with anything here?
(09/10 01:18:05) J.D. Barnes frowns
(09/10 01:18:16) Reteltee: Nothing
(09/10 01:18:39) Reteltee: I was simply trying to answr JD's question
(09/10 01:18:54) Reteltee: About whom I fear
(09/10 01:19:07) J.D. Barnes: This merry-go-round is becoming tiresome. I think that we all here are in earnest about our loyalty to the explorers. And I think we are all adamant in our stances.
(09/10 01:19:23) Marten: Yes.
(09/10 01:19:27) Reteltee: Indeed
(09/10 01:19:46) JWPlatt: Reteltee, I'm hoping you saw my question above and consider how it looks.
(09/10 01:20:08) J.D. Barnes: Reteltee, once again, I'd like to say that I do believe that you are making the best decisions you can with what you know.
(09/10 01:20:14) Reteltee: I saw it JW; think of it like this. If anything happens to me, I want the Explorers to know it wasn't my choice
(09/10 01:20:21) Reteltee: Thank you JD
(09/10 01:20:27) J.D. Barnes: I bear you no ill will. I hope you haven't been to offended if my temper has gotten a bit short.
(09/10 01:20:42) Reteltee: Not at all; I hope you'll read this chatlog, and get what I was saying
(09/10 01:21:02) Marten: Hindsight may be 20/20, but we're not there yet.
(09/10 01:21:08) J.D. Barnes: I'm sharp. I know how to watch which way the wind blows.
(09/10 01:21:21) Reteltee: You're sharp....but he's sharper
(09/10 01:21:27) Marten: The wind is invisible; one must look for the clues.
(09/10 01:21:27) J.D. Barnes: Isn't he?
(09/10 01:21:28) JWPlatt: If we get it, the DRC will also. That should concern you as well.
(09/10 01:21:41) Reteltee: The DRC already knows where I stand
(09/10 01:21:53) Reteltee: If they let me get devoured by wolves then it will be on their head
(09/10 01:22:05) JWPlatt: Yes, but the clues you leave for us are meant to not reveal to them what you are telling us, it seems.
(09/10 01:22:20) Reteltee: The DRC doesn't have time for cryptography
(09/10 01:22:33) Reteltee: But then...some others do
(09/10 01:22:43) Reteltee: They might be quicker than the DRC
(09/10 01:22:57) JWPlatt: I find the DRC quite cryptic. :)
(09/10 01:23:00) Reteltee: But in the meatime, I will do what I can
(09/10 01:23:07) Marten: A final question from me. A separate topic.
(09/10 01:23:13) Reteltee: Sure
(09/10 01:23:26) J.D. Barnes: Reteltee, hmm... do be careful, though. We aren't always sharper than the DRC.
(09/10 01:23:45) Reteltee: No, but he is
(09/10 01:23:50) Reteltee: You be careful too
(09/10 01:24:00) J.D. Barnes: I'll watch out. Trust me.
(09/10 01:24:04) Marten: What do you know about the symbol found on the 2nd level of the structure where Wheely died, the same symbol that allegedly appeared in Negilahn carved into a tree, then disappeared?
(09/10 01:24:16) Reteltee: Nothing I'm afraid Marten
(09/10 01:24:39) Marten: I wonder if that symbol may yet be important.
(09/10 01:25:02) Tai'lahr: I'm sure it's very important, Marten.
(09/10 01:25:15) Marten: But is its importance relevant today, or in the past?
(09/10 01:27:12) Tai'lahr: Well...
(09/10 01:27:16) Reteltee: Well, thank you all for the conversation
(09/10 01:27:19) JWPlatt: Reteltee, I actually have one suggestion that goes along with your job description...
(09/10 01:27:26) Reteltee: I'm afraid I'm being called away to yet another meeting
(09/10 01:27:33) Marten: Thank you for your time.
(09/10 01:27:35) Reteltee: I wish you all a fond Shorah; yes JW?
(09/10 01:27:48) Marten: Thank you JW for organizing this.
(09/10 01:27:50) Tai'lahr: Yes, thank you for coming to our humble hood and talking with us.
(09/10 01:28:07) JWPlatt: You might want to mention that the DRC take a look at the Messengers' Guild tapestries and decide whether the Greeters' Guild symbol should be there. :)
(09/10 01:28:19) Reteltee: Lol
(09/10 01:28:33) Reteltee: Thanks for the heads up; I'll deliver that to the DRC
(09/10 01:28:33) J.D. Barnes: Shorah Reteltee. Thank you for your time. And please be safe. We'll Watch for you as much as we can.
(09/10 01:28:50) Reteltee: Thanks JD
(09/10 01:28:51) Tai'lahr: Shorah Reteltee.
(09/10 01:28:55) Reteltee: And thank you for having me
(09/10 01:28:56) JWPlatt: Reteltee, Mr. Barnes, thanks for coming. And feel free to make casual visits here anytime.
(09/10 01:29:00) Reteltee: Shorah b'shemtee
(09/10 01:29:12) Marten: They'll have to scold the guild of Tapestry Weavers.
(09/10 01:29:15) J.D. Barnes: Hmm...it's Sharper
(09/10 01:29:16) Tai'lahr: And, thank you, too, Mr. Barnes
(09/10 01:29:26) Marten: Douglas is the evil one?
(09/10 01:29:36) J.D. Barnes: Reteltee is worried about Sharper somehow.
(09/10 01:29:55) J.D. Barnes: Notice how many times he mentioned 'sharper'
(09/10 01:30:05) Marten: I think that's fair given tonight's explosion.
(09/10 01:30:07) J.D. Barnes: "You're sharp, but he's sharper'
(09/10 01:30:12) JWPlatt: Hidden messages now? hehe.
(09/10 01:30:24) Tai'lahr: He did say that we should review the chatlog.
(09/10 01:30:29) J.D. Barnes: He's also been pointing us to the Watcher.
(09/10 01:30:56) J.D. Barnes: He's been saying it for days like it has a capital letter.
(09/10 01:31:30) Tai'lahr: And, he said that the explorers would have the time to look at the clues more than the DRC.
(09/10 01:31:53) Tai'lahr: What else did you catch, Mr. Barnes?
(09/10 01:32:18) JWPlatt: One explorer does not speak in riddles to other explorers. They speak in answers. Unless...
(09/10 01:33:14) J.D. Barnes: JW, I think he's genuinely trying to help in his way.
(09/10 01:33:56) J.D. Barnes: Hmm... I'm not sure his 'myst' joke was just a joke, But I'm less sure about that.
(09/10 01:34:27) J.D. Barnes: But I'm doubley-certain that he's been dropping hints whenever he has been talking.
(09/10 01:34:35) Marten: So... if Douglas is the one to fear... should we fear his spyroom?
(09/10 01:34:56) J.D. Barnes: Maybe Douglas has the key information.
(09/10 01:34:57) Marten: He said he'll be setting it back out.
(09/10 01:35:17) Marten: Douglas was insulting peoples' thick skulls.
(09/10 01:35:48) Marten: He's making it very hard to like him.
(09/10 01:35:51) J.D. Barnes: But I'd suggest that we each go over the recordings of Reteltee from the last few days and see what we can find.
(09/10 01:35:55) Tai'lahr: I need to go read that chatlog.
(09/10 01:36:03) JWPlatt: If he is concerned about offending the DRC, or other agents, by saying things he shouldn't, those who he is concerned about will see the hints as obvious and the consequences will be enacted anyway. Hence my suspicions.
(09/10 01:36:25) Marten: Yeah.
(09/10 01:36:49) J.D. Barnes: Bring in more explorers as well. You can't beat the Collective Detective.
(09/10 01:37:00) Marten: Also, he could be wrong.
(09/10 01:37:25) Marten: Is a Bahro in your Relto like A Little Bird Told Me ?
(09/10 01:37:37) J.D. Barnes: I'd suggest we don't use the DRC forums for communication, however.
(09/10 01:38:02) Marten: Anything posted there is underappreciated anyway.
(09/10 01:38:07) JWPlatt: What would you suggest?
(09/10 01:38:09) J.D. Barnes: I think he is making the assumption that the DRC won't pay too much attention. But no need to dangle it in front of their faces.
(09/10 01:38:10) Tai'lahr: Perhaps I'll just post this to the MOUL Guild thread.
(09/10 01:38:21) Tai'lahr: And, Marten can post to the Great Tree
(09/10 01:38:44) Marten: Brian's said before that Douglas can access the Great Tree forums, although we don't believe he has in a long time.
(09/10 01:38:56) Marten: Should that be a concern?
(09/10 01:39:24) Tai'lahr: It's doubtful that Mr. Sharper has the time or inclination to cruise the forums right now.
(09/10 01:39:29) J.D. Barnes: Hrm. I doubt it. I don't think Mr. Sharper or the DRC are particularly aware of the greater extent of the community.
(09/10 01:39:47) Marten: True. And he doesn't seem to be nearly on the same good terms with our group once enjoyed.
(09/10 01:39:56) Marten: Alright then.
(09/10 01:39:58) J.D. Barnes: That may be our most effective strength.
(09/10 01:40:28) JWPlatt: Would Ripley have consulted forums while she was after the aliens? Probably not. :)
(09/10 01:40:46) Marten: I still need to strip page chatter from Douglas' visit to the Pub out of this log. And it is late for me. I should go now.
(09/10 01:41:15) Marten: Goodnight and take care of yourselves.
(09/10 01:41:21) JWPlatt: Thanks for coming, Marten. And good night.
(09/10 01:41:24) Tai'lahr: Thank you for coming, Marten. You really added a lot to this conversation.
(09/10 01:41:27) Marten waves goodbye
(09/10 01:41:29) Tai'lahr: Good night.
(09/10 01:41:54) Tai'lahr: And, again, thank you, as well, Mr. Barnes.
(09/10 01:41:57) JWPlatt: Great to have you here too, Mr. Barnes.
(09/10 01:42:10) J.D. Barnes: My pleasure - this has been very enlightening.
(09/10 01:42:15) JWPlatt: Feel free to drop by and socialize.
(09/10 01:42:16) Tai'lahr: Yes, it has.
(09/10 01:42:53) Tai'lahr waves goodbye
(09/10 01:43:00) JWPlatt: Take care.
(09/10 01:43:32) JWPlatt: We forgot to put out the coffee.
(09/10 01:43:43) Tai'lahr: Oh, thanks, now you tell me!
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