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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:08 am 
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Well.. Uh, not to harp on a point or anything...

Ok, I'll harp on it. I have an edited excerpt from a chat log at the DRC website:
http://www.drcsite.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=705

(My insincere apologies to Greydragon for "dragoning" him into this).

(05/21 15:03:14) Mattias: Uh... Those cries make me nervous...
(05/21 15:03:34) Mattias: Have the Bahro been here all the time?
(05/21 15:03:39) K'huunaah: yes
(05/21 15:03:50) Mattias: Really...
(05/21 15:03:54) K'huunaah: you hear 'em more some times than others
(05/21 15:04:12) K'Dahta: they cries are creepy
(05/21 15:04:15) Greydragon: don't you see the one right behind you jesse?
(05/21 15:04:23) Mattias: Haha
(05/21 15:04:24) K'huunaah: lol
(05/21 15:04:26) Vortmax gasps!
(05/21 15:04:28) *Janine: look out Jesse!
(05/21 15:04:38) DanielPharos is frightened
(05/21 15:04:38) K'Dahta: *their
(05/21 15:04:41) Vortmax: It's gonna eat you!!
(05/21 15:04:43) Greydragon: haha i like that joke
(05/21 15:04:49) K'huunaah: lol
(05/21 15:05:11) Greydragon: though they are prob watching us now..
(05/21 15:05:17) Mattias: What about Yeesha? Where is she? (dumb question)
(05/21 15:05:19) K'huunaah: they always are
(05/21 15:05:21) Vortmax: Those crazy Bahro are always watching...
(05/21 15:05:24) Greydragon worries
(05/21 15:05:24) K'Dahta: i heard one scream just as we were leaving the egg room
(05/21 15:05:32) Vortmax: And they like to randomly link you to the Surface too!
(05/21 15:05:38) Legacy: loathsome...Wraiiithssss
(05/21 15:05:41) K'huunaah: oh, is that what it is...
(05/21 15:06:46) Greydragon: the stuff that happened in 2005 really shook things up down here


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....but first and foremost, we should be having fun chatting to each other, exchanging ideas and possibilites....we don't know how much longer, or more often we get to do this kind of thing with our favourite game series.

just thought i'd say. :lol:


BTW @ JWPlatt, I really like your volcano theory.... it would be a terrible thing to happen, yet THE most perfect way of "closing" the whole thing. (in my humble opinion). :roll:


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After reading this discussion, I've become sure (don't ask me why) that Yeesha and the Bahro will play (almost) no role in the new Uru Live. If Myst V did happen (I like the idea that Dr.Watson could be the one who freed the Bahro), the Least and Yeesha are out of the scene.

Anyway, if the DRC wanted, they could have made direct references to Myst V, since IC Cyan is still a company that makes Myst-related games.

I like the volcano option, btw. :)

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I'll drag the diffrent versions of the great shaft into this as well (TPOTS & Myst 5)... are they both cannon ?

Myst 5 has the scafold, while the TPOTS version does'nt... is it just artistic licence?

Or has someone been working in D'ni since the DRC pulled out in 2004?

A group of D'ni returning to re-claim the cavern?


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DarK wrote:
I'll drag the diffrent versions of the great shaft into this as well (TPOTS & Myst 5)... are they both cannon ?

Myst 5 has the scafold, while the TPOTS version does'nt... is it just artistic licence?

Or has someone been working in D'ni since the DRC pulled out in 2004?

A group of D'ni returning to re-claim the cavern?

This is one of the major questions in the whole Live - EoA issue, though it's not been discussed as much as it deserves.

If EoA comes not many years after Uru, then some major work on the shaft was done while the DRC was already without funding... the question is... who did it?

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Our good friend, artistic license?

A cheap getout clause, I admit. But it was a Myst game, after. And let's face it, it sure looked darn shiny. :D


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It sure did ... I particularly liked the moving floors shininess :D. Must have stared at that for a good 20 minutes, having fun recognising the different parts of the shaft in the reflections

Ummm .... Yeah I’m easily amused :shock:

If some one has returned and is rebuilding, could the tremors be from the drills that the D'ni used ??


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Ummm, artistic license doesn't quite explain it. After all, if it is just artistic license, then the great shaft really is as it was portrayed in Uru, which I don't is a safe way for you to enter the cavern. Especially without a relto.


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I thought those scaffolds were higher up, and therefore invisible from where we stood.

(Note: If you have flymode in the Uru stand-alone game, you can see the shaft doesn't even exist.)

Remember that Uru: ABM (along with To D'ni and TPotS) and even D'mala aren't what the cavern was "really" like back in the old Uru Live. So, in that way, there's really no way to tell what is, or is not, real.

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Ah, Sorry William but you can tell that the scaffold is an addition in Myst 5.

As when you drop towards the bottom of the Great Shaft in TPOTS, you can see that there is no scaffold, and as you fall downwards you can very much see the bottom of the shaft as well. I was a bit taken a-back recently of how detailed the bottom of the shaft is in TPOTS.

In Myst 5 the bottom of the shaft looks to be the same but with more detail. (Lamps, the features on the floor etc), the only difference in the physical area you see is the scaffold, and I’ve just noticed what seems to be a change in the configuration of the lifts (elevator).

So you can jump "near the bottom of the shaft" in TPOTS, and you take the lift (elevator), down to the same area in Myst 5.

To be fair now I’ve seen the lift configuration changes, I’m inclined to think that there is some artistic licence, some where :D

Some shots of the shaft from TPOTS and Myst 5
http://www.digifu.demon.co.uk/uru/sftmyst/


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Nice job, DarK. I'm surprised Whilyam made such a weak argument.

So, how do we propose (i.e. rampantly speculate) this with play out in Uru Live? Filled with lava for the reawakened volcano? DRC discovered to have been performing illegal covert operations despite the pullout? Or even more elevators to handle more people trying to get down to the renewed restoration?


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here is some info that may help with when Myst V happend

the year is in D'ni
the year inside the () is are time

    # 94?? - Gehn marries Keta.
    # 9411 (1755)- Birth of Atrus and death of Keta. Gehn leaves for D'ni while baby Atrus stays with Anna.
    # 9417 - Gehn starts writing Riven, his Fifth Age (Lívofo 8).
    # 9425 - Atrus conducts his Battery experiment and blows open the path leading to D'ni. Gehn returns to Anna and takes Atrus to D'ni.
    # 9429 (1773) - Events of Myst: The Book of Atrus: Gehn takes Atrus to D'ni and teaches him writing. Atrus' Kor'fa v'ja (Lívot 22). Gehn traps him in K'vír. Atrus goes to Riven, meets Katran and traps Gehn in Riven. Atrus, Katran and Anna stay in Myst. The Myst book falls in the fissure and lands on Earth.
    # 9430 - Atrus writes the Rocks, the Age that will be known as Stoneship.
    # 9430? - Achenar is born.
    # 9431 - Atrus marries Katran (Lívosan 13).
    # 9435 - Atrus writes the Everdunes.
    # 9432 - Sirrus is born.
    # 944? - Katran writes Serenia.
    # 9441 (1785) - Death of Anna on Myst Island.
    # 9442 - Atrus writes Osmoian.
    # 944? - Atrus writes Channelwood and Selenitic.
    # 9445 - Atrus writes J'nanin, Voltaic, Edanna, Amateria and Narayan and uses them to teach his sons the principles of the Ages.
    # 9448 - Atrus writes The Tide.
    # 9449 - Atrus writes Mechanical.
    # c. 9451 - Events of Myst comic: The Book of Black Ships: Sirrus and Achenar meet the Black Pirates of Mechanical and are introduced to tyranny.
    # 9458 - Gehn manages to link to 233rd Age (Lívotar 11)
    # 9460 - Atrus writes Rime.
    # 94?? - Civil war in Narayan. Saavedro is trapped on J'nanin.
    # 9461 (1805) - Sirrus and Achenar send Katran to Riven (Lívotar 29). Gehn imprisons her (Líbro 8).
    # 9462 (1806) - Sirrus is trapped in Spire; Achenar is trapped in Haven (Leevot 25). Events of Myst: A human finds the Myst book, arrives to Myst and frees Atrus, who then burns the trap books (Lívobro 13) (December 12)
    # 9462, Lívobro 30 - Events of Riven: The Stranger goes to Riven, where he imprisons Gehn and frees Katran. Riven is destroyed. Rivenese relocated to Tay.
    # 9465 - Atrus and Katran enter Averone.
    # 946? - Events of Myst: The Book of D'ni: Atrus finds the D'ni survivors, visits the Age of Terahnee, frees the relyimah.
    # 9468, Líbot 25 - Atrus decides to write Releeshahn.
    # 9469, Lífo 1 - Atrus begins to write Releeshahn and revisits J'nanin.
    # 9471 - Events of Myst III: Exile: Saavedro steals Releeshahn and traps the Stranger in J'nanin thinking he is Atrus. The Stranger escapes and reclaims Releeshan.
    # 9480 - Events of Myst IV: Revelation: Atrus writes to the Stranger who then arrives in Tomahna. Yeesha is abducted. Death of Sirrus and Achenar.(Leevobro 2)
    # 9660 (2004) - The events of Uru : D'ni is opened to the public by the DRC. People from the surface visit the Cleft.


we first see yeesha in Riven so that put Yeesha birht around 1806 our time
we see that uru takes place in 2004 this make Yeesha in uru about 198 years old and atrus about 249 years old.

the other thing is Myst V was not from the view point of the uru exploers but from the Stranger, as Atrus say old freind and Yeesha also say freind.


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Wow! Thank you MercAngel for this nice summary! 8)

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MercAngel wrote:
we first see yeesha in Riven so that put Yeesha birht around 1806 our time


Not to be argumentative, but Yeesha is first seen as a baby in Myst III: Exile. She was born in 1815 by our calendar.

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hehe Thanks RAWA I've been wondering that for a while now, so poeple that does explain some parts of Myst V. I know some poeple had argued that just cause Yeesha was 1/4 D'ni and Atrus 1/2 that they couldn't live as long as a normal D'ni. Well using Rawa's birdate for Yeesha we know she is 191 years old. If a 1/4 D'ni can live till 191 then why can't a 1/2 bloodded D'ni make 300?

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