It is currently Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:01 am

All times are UTC




Forum locked This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 44 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Next pre-GOM meeting
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:51 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:45 pm
Posts: 1353
Location: Most likely in the cavern somewhere.
Since this last meeting went so well :roll: , I would like to do things a little differently.
This next meeting will be held in Relayer Corps hood and will be moderated so hopefully we can stay on track. The hood will be made public and there will be some ground rules set. What those ground rules are, I haven't decided yet. They will be posted here later. ANYONE breaking those rules will be asked to leave. You have had your warning.
I want this to be a fair and productive meeting. Not the free for all that was witnessed lastnight.
I would like to hold the meeting on Sept. 14th, 15th, or 16th. Please post your preference here so I can get a good idea which day will work for most. Sorry I can't accomidate everyone, but I try.
Also, if you have suggestions for ground rules, please put them along with your date and time preference. And please put your time preference in cavern time.
Thank you :D

_________________
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:10 pm 
Offline
Obduction Backer

Joined: Tue May 09, 2006 12:22 am
Posts: 1092
Location: On the bluff
I know that the chat log process is now broken, but could you or anyone provide a summary of last night's (late afternoon, my time) "free for all"?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:56 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:45 pm
Posts: 1353
Location: Most likely in the cavern somewhere.
I would if I could, but I got there late. By that time, it seems, everyone was off topic, and we had several conversations at once. We had a ResEng show up. Evidently he was being mis-quoted (or partailly quoted, or his quote being taken out of context, or something like that) by someone in the room. The arguments were getting heated and going very fast. It was very hard to follow anything. Let's just say people were starting to not play very nice by then.
Sorry I can't be more specific, but as I said, it was very hard to follow.

_________________
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:09 pm 
Offline
Obduction Backer

Joined: Tue May 09, 2006 7:52 pm
Posts: 1671
Location: Seattle, WA
I would reccomend using the old Liaison/D'net rules for Town Hall/Discussion type meetings. With the resengs around, it could actually be enforced.

_________________
Storyteller, Creatrix, and maker of general mayhem
Unwritten RPG: http://www.unwrittenrpg.com/
KI#00001498
Officially bonked R.E.B.E.L.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:28 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:45 pm
Posts: 1353
Location: Most likely in the cavern somewhere.
I was not around for the liasons. Where can I find a list of these rules?

_________________
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:30 pm 
Offline
Obduction Backer

Joined: Mon May 15, 2006 10:02 pm
Posts: 2266
Location: Tigard, OR
I'm sorry to hear that the meeting didn't go well. I was hoping it would be a bit more productive :/

My preference is for a meeting on the 16th, with the 14th as my second choice (if the 16th is least preferred by others, move my vote to the 14th).

_________________
MOULa KI: 26838 | Prologue Videos | Visit rel.to to explore Myst, Uru, and D'ni communities!
Click here for social/game profiles


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:40 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 3:12 pm
Posts: 2190
Location: Houston
Eleri said
Quote:
While each Town Hall may have rules specific to that event, all of the Town Halls have some basic rules and guidelines for participation.

1. Please come in to the auditorium area, and be seated. The less movement, the less problems.

2. Try to keep KI use (pictures, mail, opening and closing it) to a minimum, for the same reasons.

3. The Town Hall neighborhood is public until 5 minutes before the meeting, or 20 people, whichever comes first. After that it is set to private for the duration of the meeting. We have found that anything over 20 starts causing age errors, and people coming and going contributes to the problem, throughout the neighborhood. People who are spirited away by bahro during the meeting, are welcome to PM a DRCL, and they'll try to get you back in.

4. The Town Hall format is 1/2 lecture time, 1/2 open floor questions. We welcome questions IMd to us before the TH, but we can NOT guarantee that questions asked this way will be answered.

5. To ask a question during open floor, PM the DRCL moderating the word "QUESTION". The DRCL will add your name to the queue in the order it was received.

6. PLEASE wait until your name is called out loud to ask your question. It helps to have your question all typed in and ready to go. The faaster questions get asked, the more questions we have time for.

7. The Town Hall will start on the hour with a quick reminder about the rules, and an introduction of the guest.

These rules are also posted at the DRCL site, and any additions or revisions will happen there.

_________________
Waymet


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:53 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue May 09, 2006 5:07 pm
Posts: 883
Location: Plymouth, England
I would prefer the 14th, I'm moving house on the 15th and I'm unsure if I'll have to setup broadband in the new house. If people prefer the 15th or 16th and Anthony from TCT can do one of those dates don't worry about me.

As for a meeting summary, I arrived 20-25 minutes late because I forgot the machine I would be using lacked MO:UL, Samsbase was about half an hour late because of the update, Halvor and Lord Chaos forgot about the meeting and Lynnutte couldn't make it. So as you can imagine the attempt at a council meeting started badly. I crashed either half an hour or an hour after making it online, but by then the meeting had fell apart so I didn't rejoin. The impressions I gained from the meeting are as follows.

Whilyam kept talking about guild structure whenever the council came up which confused me, he seems to be pro the idea of a council but whenever we tried to explain it we got zapped into discussions about how it should work in the end.

Ann was unusally quiet and maintained the opinions she's expressed in the MO:UL forums (the whole I'm not part of a group I just happen to be a freelance person who works with others to produce something on a regular basis.)

I kept trying to explain the idea of the council every time an explorer mentioned how a small group or comittee should get together to organise it. After the fourth time I got fed up of endlessly repeating myself and stopped commenting.

Samsbase kept trying to promote his organisational model to an unenthusiastic crowd, a troll also had a go at him which was the key to completly derailing the meeting.

Thend was the only person who attempted to keep the meeting on track, although it did keep falling off track. He managed to get four people to discuss what they did for the community (relayers, ururadio, Kitoons and TCT.) As well as discuss better ways of information spreading in cavern, unfortunatly due to the nature of the crowd in the watchers sanctuary this couldn't go into the depth necessary for an actual implementation.

Barbarra arguing against any form of organisation and then someone realised shes talking about the Guild of Writers. (I feel sorry for you GoW guys)

We developed a troll who drove the whole discussion off topic and insulted Samsbase.

A few people suggested a small comittee is setup to get things going.

Finally as the watchers sanctuary had about twenty people in it, people went there to see what was going on, which got more people to come and the whole thing snowballed. This meant we had increasing numbers of people who hadn't a clue what we were there to discuss, probably wern't interested in joining a GoMes but decided to give their opinion anyways.

In my eyes the meeting failed in every way possible, I've long been promoting a council of interested parties the orgs to avoid the type of meeting we had last night. No one was particular aware of all the previous discussion the constant influx of new people meant the meeting couldn't progress as they asked to be brought upto speed and a group of people who most probably wouldn't join a GoMes were present. Because so few reps turned up it couldn't even have been seen as a meet and greet. I was hoping for a meeting where we could get the representatives together, have everyone list what they wanted from a GoMes, what they would be willing as a group to provide, develop a small code of conduct and perhaps start working on some services we could do for this episode.

I like Lynnuttes suggestion, hopefully if we can manage things properly we won't end up with last nights mess.

_________________
Image


Last edited by Stevecrox on Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:54 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:45 pm
Posts: 1353
Location: Most likely in the cavern somewhere.
That works very well for a question/answer seesion, but does it work equally as well for a brainstroming session?

_________________
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:20 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 3:12 pm
Posts: 2190
Location: Houston
Yes and No.....

If it is a brain storming session the speaker can choose to allow more discussion around the questions and answers, then if the discussion is getting bogged down use "Speakers Privilage" to stop the current discussion and move to the next question.

I've seen some meetings that it just plain didn't work, and others that went so smoothly you would have thought the meeting was scripted.

_________________
Waymet


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:30 pm 
Offline
Obduction Backer

Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:01 pm
Posts: 1890
Stevecrox wrote: "(I feel sorry for you GoW guys)"

Well, whatever you think of the content, the Writers discussion threads have been nearly all polite, on-track, and enlightening. They've avoided the problems that plagued this meeting.

(I was present for part of the Watchers' Pub meeting, purely as a listener.)

I think that once you've got more than ten people involved, discussions simply work better on web forums than in-Cavern.

_________________
Andrew Plotkin -- Seltani founding member


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:53 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:11 pm
Posts: 1506
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Stevecrox, you summed it up well!. I was there at the beginning and the discussion started out about how we could better bring news to the cavern with several people throwing out suggestions. It sort of went downhill from there.....Suddenly the discussion was entirely something else and we really didn't accomplish much after that other than some fast scrolling chat. Too bad my chatlog is borked. I went and checked later and even though I had started a log none appears to have been recorded....I sure would have liked to have reviewed some of what was said. I know there were some pretty good suggestions thrown out there but they all got lost in the discoursing going on... Most of the new people didn't get to make a comment or were over ridden which was a true shame..... The troll didn't help and he went after me too.....sheesh, some people need to grow up.....that is the second person in the history of this game for me that I put on Ignore and I plan on leaving him there forever....

On this second meeting, please, could there be some time for people who would just like to say something (and I am sort of meaning those who have not already posted their views on the forum....we know what you think :o ..... but those who might be coming to see what this is about or have not said anything to date but would like to) to have a small block of time to just say what they see the GoMe being and what they would hope to get out of it or any suggestions they might have? Just so people could say what they wanted to say. No questions or discussion just give each person say 3 - 5 minutes to say what they want to say or comment upon and log each one for posting so people can think about it and then talk about it in the next meeting. I think there are some novel ideas and suggestions out there but you certainly could not hear it above the bedlam last night.

As for dates 14th evening only, 15th all day, 16th all day up to early evening are all good for me.

_________________
Moula:
DMom2K KI 74181
GameBoomer KI 83122

SL:
DMom2K Darwin

Currently residing in Guild Wars2 with DudeDad and trying to play Watch Dogs
Citizen of the Metaverse and oh, yeah, The Dude abides....


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:54 pm 
Offline
Former MystOnline Moderator

Joined: Tue May 09, 2006 5:06 pm
Posts: 1591
Butch once used a neat format: Several questions presented by a moderator, then everybody present just types in what they think about it.
After a certain period of time, the moderator says STOP and moves on to the next question.
http://www.sysmango.com/node/858 (scroll down to the summary)
http://www.sysmango.com/node/859
(I highly recommend reading it for the content, too, quite interesting to look back on it now. Some things change, others don't.)

A recent example of this format being used can be found in this thread pertaining a meeting of the folks interested in GoWriters.


Last edited by ireenquench on Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:47 am, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:19 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:45 pm
Posts: 1353
Location: Most likely in the cavern somewhere.
Ireen,
Thank you for posting that link. That was very interesting and informative. I will definately be incorpertating a lot of those ideas into this next meeting. If you have any other great ideas, just let me know! :D

_________________
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:17 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue May 09, 2006 10:07 pm
Posts: 135
Location: Florida
It is always interesting how perception works. Some meeting goers feel one way and others feel differently about a meeting that was hastily advertised and attended by a diverse group of explorers last night. I did not know half of the lot that showed up, but I never saw any shouting or loud singing going on. I must have missed that while I was at the alcove pay phone ordering more food.

I will not comment. I have bags of leftover chocolate chips and no one waited up for the midnight buffet I ordered in around 9:30pm. If some are disappointed that the council could not vote, think about how the caterers must have felt.

I am thrilled the council did not vote. I can't think of a thing I wanted them to vote about. I did try to answer Thend's questions about contribution. I mentioned that I was my own representative, and that I had worked with video, audio and really just about anything related to internet media (stream, feed, download). Of course one of the posters here left that tidbit out, but it is to be expected.

I was not all that quiet either, but I did find myself light hearted at times. I hope that I will feel the same way during the next meeting. When you say rules and regulations, does that mean you won't allow for dissent? I am dissenting the notion of an exclusive council of pre-formatted orgs without consideration for individual explorer memberships and voting privileges. I really don't think there is a need for a council in the first place. I surely don't think they need to vote on anything at this point.

So, if I come, will I get to say anything or will I be immediately escorted out :wink: 8) ? Just thought I would ask, because I too have to make arrangements to come to the next meeting.

Ahvree
_______

Ruby O'Degee

_________________
Cavern Communications Network Twitter:CCNDownUnder - Borrowed from Mr. Lewis Carroll: What is the use of a book, without pictures or conversations? KI 379788, Twitter: Ruby_ODegee


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Forum locked This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 44 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron