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(11/04 18:29:14) Chat.log started...
(11/04 18:29:18) Lontahv: Shorah
(11/04 18:29:27) Valdez: bahro wars/
(11/04 18:29:29) Robu: or the Bahro flying around the Arch?
(11/04 18:29:30) Valdez: ?
(11/04 18:29:31) Reteltee: If you would please do me a favour, and hold all questions to the end
(11/04 18:29:32) Justin: Ah
(11/04 18:29:35) Justin: Ok
(11/04 18:29:37) Trevor1013: NP
(11/04 18:29:38) Justin: shhhhhh
(11/04 18:29:53) T.S: o.k
(11/04 18:29:55) 33mike shrugs head
(11/04 18:30:08) Reteltee: The subject of my talk today is the Guilds; research which I have been conducting, independently, and without the DRC's official sanction
(11/04 18:30:18) T.S: o.k
(11/04 18:30:35) Reteltee: I have brought my findings to the DRC, and they would neither confirm or deny my conclusions
(11/04 18:31:11) Reteltee: I specifically asked if it would be acceptable to share my findings with the Explorer community; the response given was "Just so long as they know the DRC does not necessarily endorse your fidnings"
(11/04 18:31:19) Reteltee: *findings
(11/04 18:32:25) Reteltee: I had originally intended to postpone this talk until after the current flurry of activity in the Cavern had died down some; however, with cate and Dr. Kodama departing the DRC so suddenly, I felt it would be important to share these findings as soon as possible
(11/04 18:32:58) Asobe: im in kerie!!!!
(11/04 18:33:07) Asobe: oops
(11/04 18:33:19) T.S: :-)
(11/04 18:33:29) Valdez: Kodama is gone?
(11/04 18:33:35) Justin: Guess so
(11/04 18:33:38) Nonphat: Please remain silent.
(11/04 18:34:07) Reteltee: Now, when the DRC first approached me about becoming the Guild Adviser, I was quizzed, somewhat intensively, on my knowledge of the Guilds
(11/04 18:34:15) TomahnaGuy: Whats going on?
(11/04 18:34:32) Trevor1013: Reteltee has an announcement
(11/04 18:34:37) Reteltee: I was questioned as to which sources I had consulted, and what conclusions I had drawn from them
(11/04 18:36:19) Reteltee: At the time, I thought I had utilized every source, and discovered as much as could have been known about the D;ni Guilds
(11/04 18:36:51) Reteltee: It turns out, I was incorrect. There is a wealth of knowledge about the Guilds which I had, heretofore, been completely unaware
(11/04 18:37:43) Reteltee: I will precurser this, however by saying that the information which I have uncovered about the Guilds, is not from an era of the D;ni civilzation about which we have significant information
(11/04 18:38:28) Reteltee: However, it is no less vital that we, as Explorers, consider well this information, and what it may portend for our futures...and that of this Cavern
(11/04 18:38:52) Reteltee: So, with that preamble out of the way, here goes
(11/04 18:39:51) Reteltee: First,
(11/04 18:40:03) Reteltee: Some important dates
(11/04 18:40:45) Reteltee: Aitrus, father of Ghen, grandfather of Atrus, was born approximately years after the D'ni Exodus to Earth
(11/04 18:41:02) Reteltee: Sorry, num pad was off; 9313
(11/04 18:42:06) Reteltee: This makes the approximate year of the abdication of Kerath, in favour of the Council, 6977
(11/04 18:43:43) Reteltee: My research, is from the period of time from approx 7104 to 7196
(11/04 18:44:44) Reteltee: e reason I give these dates is so we have an appropriate framework to help us understand the history of the Guilds;
(11/04 18:45:00) Reteltee: We will see, that there are significant parallels for us, today
(11/04 18:46:01) Reteltee: Now, remembering the relatively long average lifespan of the D'ni, 7104 was relatively soon after the Council began ruling instead of the King; one, maybe two generations
(11/04 18:46:32) Reteltee: Of course, that's human generations, of about 30 years
(11/04 18:47:29) Reteltee: The D;ni didn't necessarily measure time in such wys, but I want to give the clear picture; the rulership of the Guilds at this time was young, fresh, and in many cases, uncertain
(11/04 18:48:59) Reteltee: Now it seems, that when the COuncil was young, there came a threat to the Cavern. What this threat was, I cannot for sure ascertain...the records I've been using are both unclear, and at times, incomplete
(11/04 18:49:27) Reteltee: It could have been problems with Ages; it could have been seismic activity in the Cavern
(11/04 18:49:37) Reteltee: Or, it could have been an invasion
(11/04 18:49:42) Reteltee: I do not honestly know
(11/04 18:49:59) Reteltee: However, the Guilds were tasked with discovering a solution, that much is clear
(11/04 18:50:14) [Moderator]moirajane: ( if you have a question for Reteltee please pm me with the WORD "question")
(11/04 18:51:28) [Moderator]moirajane: ( I will put your name in a queue Thank you)
(11/04 18:52:27) Reteltee: Unfortunately, it seems they were not yet ready for such thiIt took nearly forty years for the Council to even agree on a method of discovery!
(11/04 18:52:45) Reteltee: *thing; it tookk
(11/04 18:52:57) Reteltee: Please forgive the typos; I'm lagging quite hard
(11/04 18:52:58) [Moderator]moirajane: ( Please have your questions pre-typed so You will be ready when I call your name)
(11/04 18:53:07) T.S: wow
(11/04 18:53:21) Reteltee: In that forty years time, many people died
(11/04 18:53:28) [Relayer] Sira: (if everyone sits, the lag might improve some)
(11/04 18:53:42) Reteltee: And it seemed, for a time, that Kerath's wisdom was in fact folly
(11/04 18:54:12) Reteltee: But, there was redemption on the horizon
(11/04 18:54:54) Moleculor: Wow, why so many people here?
(11/04 18:55:17) Goloth: shhh
(11/04 18:55:23) Trevor1013: Reteltee the Guild Advisor is giving a speech
(11/04 18:55:29) Reteltee: An elder Guildsman, whose name is lost to history, hit upon an idea...one which was to change the face of the Guild Council forever
(11/04 18:56:08) Reteltee: I will insert a caveat here; I believe the reason that this Guildsmans name is lost to history, is because there wasn't really a single man who came up with this idea
(11/04 18:56:35) Reteltee: However, the Council needed, in telling this story, a lightening rod to draw both accolade and criticism
(11/04 18:56:47) Reteltee: lightning rod, that is
(11/04 18:57:03) Reteltee: So they invented a 'nameless Guildsman' to be just that
(11/04 18:58:04) Reteltee: In any case, the idea was this; ask the people
(11/04 18:58:14) Reteltee: What we might call, a referendum
(11/04 18:58:32) Reteltee: Now please, understand how revolutionary this was at this time
(11/04 18:59:16) Reteltee: The Council, like the King before them, had ruled largely independently of the people. Not that the common D'ni were completely uninvolved, but they had never had a real voice...until this time
(11/04 19:00:11) [Moderator]moirajane: (For all new arrivees--If you have a question for Reteltee. please PM me with the WORD question and I will put you in the queue. Please have your question pre-typed so you will be ready when I call your name. Thanks)
(11/04 19:00:15) Reteltee: The Council (the the guilse of this elder Guildsman) had reasoned that since it was the people who were suffering, it should be the people who determined how to end the crisis
(11/04 19:00:25) Reteltee: *guise
(11/04 19:01:25) Reteltee: So, the Council brought in the people, from the commoners and lay-people, to the highest ranking Guildsman, and some form (the record is not clear) of vote took place
(11/04 19:02:38) Reteltee: And...well, unfortunately, that's about all I've been able to ascertain about the crisis itself. By the time the records begin to become cohereant again, it's nearly 50 years later, and the crisis had apparently been resolved
(11/04 19:02:55) Reteltee: However, I do have some conclusion, which I will now share
(11/04 19:03:55) Reteltee: First, this shows that there was a time, though it was long, long ago, when the Guilds knew how to listen to the people...even (perhaps, though it isn't clear, especially) those who were NOT members of a Guild
(11/04 19:04:26) Reteltee: It also shows that the Guilds recognized this need very early on in their existence, though it took a mounting crisis to reveal it to them
(11/04 19:05:13) Reteltee: Further, it illustrates just how far from the original intent the D;ni Guilds had fallen, at the time of the Fall
(11/04 19:05:34) Reteltee: Which brings me to my final conclusion, and then I'll start taking questions
(11/04 19:06:40) Reteltee: We Explorers, should not fear making the Guilds strong, and enduring. We should know that it IS possible for us to have a robust Guild system, and still be attuned to the needs and desires of non-Guild members
(11/04 19:06:59) Pituka claps her hands
(11/04 19:07:04) groath claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:07) Reteltee: We should know that we can make this grand experiment succeed
(11/04 19:07:14) groath cheers
(11/04 19:07:14) janaba claps her hands
(11/04 19:07:16) T.S nods his head
(11/04 19:07:18) 33mike thank Reteltte
(11/04 19:07:19) Nonphat claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:19) William Clark claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:23) Trevor1013 claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:24) Tofer claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:24) Vivicus claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:25) Nonphat cheers
(11/04 19:07:25) rivendell claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:27) Wiz claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:27) Hannauru claps her hands
(11/04 19:07:28) Hannauru: hand
(11/04 19:07:29) renna claps her hands
(11/04 19:07:29) groath claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:31) Reteltee: And we should know that it has been done before, by men no greater than we ourselves are
(11/04 19:07:31) Nonphat claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:33) Katelin0 claps her hands
(11/04 19:07:33) Goloth claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:35) Wiz cheers
(11/04 19:07:35) Zirrus claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:37) janaba cheers
(11/04 19:07:38) My'key feels hope rise again
(11/04 19:07:40) Wiz claps his hands
(11/04 19:07:41) Yuko Hoon claps her hands
(11/04 19:07:42) Francesca claps her hands
(11/04 19:07:45) [Moderator]moirajane: (If you have a question for Reteltee, please PM me with the "question--Please have your questions pre-typed)
(11/04 19:07:49) Pryftan claps his hands
(11/04 19:08:02) T.S claps his hands
(11/04 19:08:11) [Moderator]moirajane: DocOlanA has the first question
(11/04 19:08:14) Reteltee: Thank your for your patience and attention friends; I now open the floor to questions, through my dear friends the moderators
(11/04 19:08:15) T.S: great job,reteltee
(11/04 19:08:23) Wiz thanks Reteltee for the research and sharing this
(11/04 19:08:28) Trevor1013: Great job reteltee!
(11/04 19:08:39) T.S cheers
(11/04 19:08:44) Nonphat: Very nice presentation!
(11/04 19:08:48) Nonphat claps his hands
(11/04 19:09:10) Venenum_Absum: yes very nice...
(11/04 19:09:13) Reteltee: Much of what I have learned is avaiblable to the public; mostly, I drew inferences from the historigraphy which is curently available. Much of historical research is reading between the lines ;)
(11/04 19:09:17) From Sudre in Sudre's Relto: HI
(11/04 19:09:18) [Moderator]moirajane: (Goloth you are next)
(11/04 19:09:21) Reteltee: (Thank you everyone for your kind words)
(11/04 19:09:24) Reteltee: xt?
(11/04 19:09:32) To Sudre in Sudre's Relto: Theres a swarm of bahro over the great arc
(11/04 19:09:32) Reteltee: *Next?
(11/04 19:09:38) Goloth: Reteltee,
(11/04 19:09:40) Venenum_Absum: Reiko I did the traditional cooking method of 40 30 and 20
(11/04 19:09:41) [Moderator]moirajane: Golath has the next question
(11/04 19:09:43) From Sudre in Sudre's Relto: I'll have to go look!
(11/04 19:09:53) From Sudre in Sudre's Relto: Sorry I was not able to get back on.. work is nuts...
(11/04 19:10:01) From Sudre in Sudre's Relto: I got a call last night and things got too busy.
(11/04 19:10:07) [Moderator]moirajane: Goloth?
(11/04 19:10:17) Goloth: The DRC seems to be disappearing and even though there are still members, with the DRC losing it's funding, it looks like the . . .
(11/04 19:10:25) To Sudre in Sudre's Relto: no sweat
(11/04 19:10:32) Goloth: DRC will not be funtioning . . .
(11/04 19:10:33) T.S looks around for a bit
(11/04 19:10:49) Goloth: Will the Guilds become the new leaders?
(11/04 19:10:56) To Sudre in Sudre's Relto: reteltee just gave a big presentation about the guilds.
(11/04 19:10:56) From Sudre (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(11/04 19:10:59) Goloth: Or will there be another leader of sorts?
(11/04 19:11:15) To Sudre (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): Youll find a log within a few minutes on the forum
(11/04 19:11:33) Reteltee: My hope is that the Guilds will be able to step in and fill the gap
(11/04 19:12:01) Reteltee: Next?
(11/04 19:12:02) [Moderator]moirajane: Ireenquench has the next question
(11/04 19:12:03) Goloth: Thank you Reteltee
(11/04 19:12:08) ireenquench: Reteltee, your conclusion was very short, after what seemed a complex course of events. What are your main points about the analogy again? Voting is good or bad? Asking the public for advice is good or bad? Which measuer the COuncil took was good, which strayed?
(11/04 19:13:01) Reteltee: Vting (provided it means listening to the will of the people, *ahem*)=good. Asking for advice=VERY good
(11/04 19:14:00) Reteltee: As far as the Council measure, could you be more specific?
(11/04 19:14:30) ireenquench: You mentioned they had strayed from the original guild concept, and that sounded "bad"
(11/04 19:14:38) Reteltee: Oh, yes
(11/04 19:14:52) Reteltee: At the time of the Fall, the D'ni Guilds were merely a shadow of what they were intended to be
(11/04 19:15:36) Reteltee: They wre bastions of the rich, elite, and powerful D'ni, as opposed to the repositories of the talented, driven, hard-working D'ni who had made the Empire what it was in the first place
(11/04 19:16:33) Reteltee: The Guilds (and I say this with no small measure of disgust) had usurped the D;ni citezenry's rightful place. As long as I draw breath, I will work to ensure that NEVER happens to the Explorers
(11/04 19:16:53) Pituka claps her hands
(11/04 19:17:05) Kotter claps his hands
(11/04 19:17:07) Nonphat cheers
(11/04 19:17:09) T.S nods his head
(11/04 19:17:11) Tofer claps his hands
(11/04 19:17:13) William Clark: calp
(11/04 19:17:16) Hannauru nods her head
(11/04 19:17:16) William Clark claps his hands
(11/04 19:17:17) Katelin0 cheers
(11/04 19:17:22) Calla Ayden cheers
(11/04 19:17:24) Dimitrios is amazed!
(11/04 19:17:29) Josue claps his hands
(11/04 19:17:34) 33mike nods my head
(11/04 19:17:36) Reteltee: There were, no doubt, good men and women in the Guilds at the time of the Fall. But Veovis was NOT the exception of a Guildsman at the time of the Fall; Aitrus was
(11/04 19:17:37) janaba claps her hands
(11/04 19:17:57) Ti'chelle claps her hands
(11/04 19:18:03) Reteltee: Sorry, slight tangent, but does that answer ireen?
(11/04 19:19:00) Reteltee: Next?
(11/04 19:19:03) [Moderator]moirajane: Valdez has the next question
(11/04 19:19:04) ireenquench: I understand you meant the Coucil strayed in a good way
(11/04 19:19:07) My'key: Aitrus was not alone...
(11/04 19:19:08) Valdez: Was "The Five" also ruling with the coucil at the time, or were they formulated at a later date? And that was an excellent spech I will have to add.
(11/04 19:20:57) Reteltee: Thanks Valdez; originally, the Council was NOT ruled by the F
(11/04 19:21:03) Reteltee: *Five
(11/04 19:21:21) Valdez: was that just corruptness then?
(11/04 19:21:30) Reteltee: That was a modification, as I understand it, added at a somewhat later date; I don't have the date on the top of my head
(11/04 19:22:15) Reteltee: I don't know if it was corruption per se....it certainly fragmented the ruling process more, making it (in my opinion) easier for corruption to set in
(11/04 19:22:45) Reteltee: Next?
(11/04 19:22:48) [Moderator]moirajane: Lontahv is up next
(11/04 19:23:27) Reteltee: Great point/question Lon...at this point, I don't know the answer :(
(11/04 19:23:45) Reteltee: Next?
(11/04 19:23:48) [Moderator]moirajane: Pryftan your question please
(11/04 19:23:53) Pryftan: Reteltee, there's been a lot of discussion lately about trying to get the DRC to allow a group such as the GoW to "restore" an Age, much like they gave Teledahn to Sharper.. that way even if the DRC disappears, restoration of old D'ni Ages as well as the Writing of new Ages can continue. Can we have your support in talking to the DRC about that?
(11/04 19:24:29) Reteltee: Absolutely Pry...though, who knows if it will even be the DRC who determines that now....maybe it'll just be up to us
(11/04 19:24:42) Reteltee: Neverthelesss, what I can do, I will do, as always
(11/04 19:24:50) Pryftan: Thank you.
(11/04 19:24:54) Maurus wants to ask a question...
(11/04 19:24:55) Reteltee: My pleasure
(11/04 19:24:58) Reteltee: Next?
(11/04 19:25:04) [Moderator]moirajane: DocOlanA has a follow up question
(11/04 19:26:03) Reteltee: (an aside; I presume someone [or multiple someones] is/are chatlogging?)
(11/04 19:26:18) Nonphat: I am
(11/04 19:26:25) T.S: good
(11/04 19:26:28) William Clark: (I got a part of your speech and the questions so far)
(11/04 19:26:28) Reteltee: (greath, thanks)
(11/04 19:26:47) Wiz: ok
(11/04 19:26:53) Nonphat: (i've got the whole thing and i'll post it on the forums as soon as its over.)
(11/04 19:26:54) Wiz (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
(11/04 19:26:58) Pryftan: (I logged the whloe speech)
(11/04 19:27:09) Valdez: (as did I)
(11/04 19:27:24) [Moderator]moirajane: (If you have a question for Reteltee please PM me withthe word "Question" and I will put you in the queue. Thx)
(11/04 19:27:56) Reteltee: I would love to Doc, though it would be long and tedious...perhaps we can shleve that for a more approriate venue/time? That's an open invitation to anyone
(11/04 19:28:17) Reteltee: Boy, the lag is killing my typing today; sincere apologies everyone
(11/04 19:28:29) ireenquench: Reteltee there are no known sources about the 7000s
(11/04 19:28:42) Reteltee: I think I could do that Doc, though I've no idea how soon..just keep bugging me about it :D
(11/04 19:29:15) [Moderator]moirajane: Trevor 1013 has the next question
(11/04 19:29:17) T.S starts to laugh
(11/04 19:29:21) Reteltee: Next?
(11/04 19:29:25) Trevor1013: Have you found any information in your research about how the Bahro we're involved in Guild decisions? I mean, were there laws, rules, or debates regarding them?
(11/04 19:29:34) Dakro: I beat it, I needed Jeff to help me with a small part of it though, but for the most part I got threw it pretty quick, it is an AMAZING age
(11/04 19:29:44) Dakro: Ohh yikes that was supposed to be a pm, eck, sorry Reteltee :D
(11/04 19:30:04) Reteltee: I have been looking for such things Trevor, but to date have found nothing but a deafening silence
(11/04 19:30:12) Reteltee: (No worries DAk, I still like your hat)
(11/04 19:30:17) Trevor1013: Interesting
(11/04 19:30:26) T.S: hahaha
(11/04 19:30:28) Dakro: Indeed
(11/04 19:30:39) Reteltee: Next?
(11/04 19:30:40) [Moderator]moirajane: Ireenquench has a follow up
(11/04 19:30:41) Trevor1013: I've always been interested as to why they haven't come up in such matters
(11/04 19:30:46) Trevor1013: Thanks
(11/04 19:30:46) ireenquench: Do you have any idea who is going to teach explorers the gahrohevtee language?
(11/04 19:30:58) Dafydd Thomas: Ben jij hier ook?
(11/04 19:31:04) Reteltee: I don't ireen, though that's an excellent question
(11/04 19:31:20) Reteltee: If anyone comes across a copy of the Rehevkor...let us all know ;)
(11/04 19:31:33) Dafydd Thomas: Oops sorry,had to be a PM
(11/04 19:31:34) Reteltee: *;)
(11/04 19:31:37) ireenquench: Whats your guess... Yeesha? Or the DRC?
(11/04 19:31:43) Valdez: ask Atrus
(11/04 19:31:57) Reteltee: Both...neither, I honestly don't know. Mebbe the Bahro
(11/04 19:31:59) Valdez: I am sure he has one
(11/04 19:32:18) Reteltee: Next?
(11/04 19:32:19) [Moderator]moirajane: Overdrive has the next question
(11/04 19:33:14) T.S looks around for a bit
(11/04 19:33:26) Trevor1013: Thank you for the speech Ret! Bye for now!
(11/04 19:33:27) [Moderator]moirajane: Is he still here?
(11/04 19:33:35) Reteltee: Thank you Trevor
(11/04 19:33:46) [Moderator]moirajane: Thend is up then
(11/04 19:33:46) Reteltee: Next?
(11/04 19:33:51) Thend: Reteltee, as Explorers will be Writing Ages eventually, where is and can we see the Garohevtee language, and the formulas for making Inks & Paper for the Books? Seems like this would be an excellent starting point in the meantime until actual Age Writing occurs. And why initiate a Guild of Writers (no offense meant towards the GoW) in the first place if these materials are essentially unknowns to the DRC (if this is the case)?
(11/04 19:34:06) Reteltee: reply Lol
(11/04 19:34:11) Reteltee: Oops
(11/04 19:34:15) Reteltee: Thend
(11/04 19:34:20) Thend starts to laugh
(11/04 19:34:23) Reteltee: As always, great points
(11/04 19:34:39) Reteltee: I'll address them one by one in order
(11/04 19:35:51) [Moderator]moirajane: (Any more questions for Reteltee? Please pm me with the WORD "question")
(11/04 19:35:52) Reteltee: I do not know of any place currently where one can find specific examples of the gahrohevtee, and I'm unsure as to the surviving existence of the Ink and Paper formulae
(11/04 19:37:41) Reteltee: as to why begin a Guild of Writers now? They were one of the most important Guilds in the D'ni Empire, and I felt, when the DRC asked me for my suggestions, that they deserved recognition and a place in the Cavern now. But Writers can do more than just write Ages...in many ways, they are the soul of D;ni. Their imagination, and spirit, helped create links to some of the most beautiful worlds we have ever seen (like Er'Cana, and Ahonay)
(11/04 19:38:39) Reteltee: I think the Writers can do amazing things aside from just the Art
(11/04 19:39:10) ireenquench is a bit puzzled...
(11/04 19:39:11) Reteltee: Right, I have time for one more question, anyone?
(11/04 19:39:15) [Moderator]moirajane: Maurus has the last question
(11/04 19:39:18) groath: What is the next step for the guilds ? or what tools will we recieve to further the guilds? also the question every one has is what about the maintaners suits are we closer to getting them?
(11/04 19:39:19) Maurus: reteltee, THis may have been already asked in some way or another, but I just want to be certain- do you have any advice for us explorers now? That is to say, based on this information, what do you think we should do possibly to assist with our current crisis?
(11/04 19:39:27) groath: Ops sorry...
(11/04 19:39:27) Thend: Thank you for your answer Reteltee
(11/04 19:39:34) Reteltee: Anytime Thend
(11/04 19:40:00) [Moderator]moirajane: Maurus had the last question Reteltee
(11/04 19:40:11) groath: My bad soory agin...
(11/04 19:40:15) Reteltee: My advice to the Explorers is this; continue building the Guilds; continue collaborating and cooperating with one another
(11/04 19:40:24) T.S cheers
(11/04 19:40:29) groath cheers
(11/04 19:40:32) T.S thanks you
(11/04 19:40:33) Maurus claps his hands
(11/04 19:40:35) Yuko Hoon cheers
(11/04 19:40:35) Katelin0 claps her hands
(11/04 19:40:37) Reteltee: Set aside any petty differences which may cause division, and instead focus on the loftier goals of this grand undertaking
(11/04 19:40:39) Francesca cheers
(11/04 19:40:41) Dafydd Thomas claps his hands
(11/04 19:40:41) Nonphat cheers
(11/04 19:40:42) Valdez: thanks!
(11/04 19:40:42) janaba cheers
(11/04 19:40:43) T.S: thanks reteltee
(11/04 19:40:45) Valdez claps his hands
(11/04 19:40:46) FreeLanZer cheers
(11/04 19:40:46) groath cheers
(11/04 19:40:50) Calla Ayden cheers
(11/04 19:40:50) [Relayer] Sira claps her hands
(11/04 19:40:52) Maurus: thank you mucho reteltee
(11/04 19:40:53) misthermit cheers
(11/04 19:40:54) groath: Thanks!
(11/04 19:40:54) Valdez: good bye
(11/04 19:40:55) 33mike thank ret
(11/04 19:40:57) Ti'chelle claps her hands
(11/04 19:40:57) Navros claps his hands
(11/04 19:40:58) Coco. claps her hands
(11/04 19:40:58) Reteltee: And if, IF, we can show ourselves capable of that...then we WILL survive ANY crises which comes our way
(11/04 19:40:59) T.S: hope we will learn more about the guilds
(11/04 19:41:00) Nonphat: Thanks for all your hard work Reteltee
(11/04 19:41:05) Yuko Hoon: Thanks, Reteltee
(11/04 19:41:06) Calla Ayden thanks you very much!
(11/04 19:41:06) FreeLanZer claps his hands
(11/04 19:41:11) Katelin0: Yes, thanks Reteltee!
(11/04 19:41:11) Reteltee: Thank YOU all
(11/04 19:41:12) T.S cheers
(11/04 19:41:13) Dimitrios open champagne to celebrate the new start
(11/04 19:41:13) Maurus: interesting...thanks
(11/04 19:41:13) Dafydd Thomas claps his hands
(11/04 19:41:13) Dafydd Thomas: big
(11/04 19:41:15) janaba nods her head
(11/04 19:41:16) Katelin0 cheers
(11/04 19:41:17) Yuko Hoon claps her hands
(11/04 19:41:19) Reteltee: I wish you the very fondest Shorah
(11/04 19:41:21) Nonphat: No thank YOU!
(11/04 19:41:25) Darkling: well put!
(11/04 19:41:25) Thend thanks you very much!
(11/04 19:41:27) Calla Ayden: Thank you!
(11/04 19:41:27) Valdez: good bye
(11/04 19:41:27) Navros bows
(11/04 19:41:27) groath: Can i ask one little question ?
(11/04 19:41:31) Fax Paladin thanks you very much!
(11/04 19:41:31) Valdez claps his hands
(11/04 19:41:31) Adam_Reith: Shorah Reteltee
(11/04 19:41:33) Thumbs up from T.S
(11/04 19:41:35) Yuko Hoon: Shorah, and good luck
(11/04 19:41:37) Fax Paladin claps his hands
(11/04 19:41:37) ireenquench: Thanks for coming Reteltee.
(11/04 19:41:40) Calla Ayden claps
(11/04 19:41:43) groath: Were are we on the maintaners suits?
(11/04 19:41:43) [Moderator]moirajane: Thank you everyone--great crowd :)
(11/04 19:41:45) janaba thanks you
(11/04 19:41:51) Valdez: have a great afternoon
(11/04 19:41:54) [Moderator]moirajane claps her hands
(11/04 19:42:00) Valdez cheers
(11/04 19:42:00) Pryftan claps his hands
(11/04 19:42:01) Cyron Xerrox claps his hands
(11/04 19:42:03) To MagicBullet in D'ni-Ae'gura: the GUILD advisor.
(11/04 19:42:03) T.S: see you later everyone!
(11/04 19:42:06) Dimitrios claps his hands
(11/04 19:42:09) Reteltee wishes the very best for the Explorers
(11/04 19:42:10) T.S: thanks again reteltee
(11/04 19:42:10) Nonphat waves goodbye
(11/04 19:42:13) T.S waves goodbye
(11/04 19:42:13) DocOlanA: And post those sources as soon as you can. Hungry scholars want to know.

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Ack you beat me :lol: :P
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EDIT: Bah beaten to the punch while editing. :lol:

Hi here's a non-chatlog version of reteltee's speech
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[spoiler]Reteltee: Hi everyone And Shorah

I'm going to wait a couple more minutes, looks like we still have a few folks on their way. As a precautionary warning; my connection has been spotty at times today; if I suddenly disappear, I will endeavor to jump right back in asap.

...


Right, well, I've been told Kirel is full so we may as well begin.

If you would please do me a favor, and hold all questions to the end.

The subject of my talk today is the Guilds; research which I have been conducting, independently, and without the DRC's official sanction. I have brought my findings to the DRC, and they would neither confirm or deny my conclusions. I specifically asked if it would be acceptable to share my findings with the Explorer community; the response given was "Just so long as they know the DRC does not necessarily endorse your findings".

I had originally intended to postpone this talk until after the current flurry of activity in the Cavern had died down some; however, with cate and Dr. Kodama departing the DRC so suddenly, I felt it would be important to share these findings as soon as possible. Now, when the DRC first approached me about becoming the Guild Adviser, I was quizzed, somewhat intensively, on my knowledge of the Guilds

I was questioned as to which sources I had consulted, and what conclusions I had drawn from them. At the time, I thought I had utilized every source, and discovered as much as could have been known about the D'ni Guilds.


It turns out, I was incorrect.


There is a wealth of knowledge about the Guilds which I had, heretofore, been completely unaware.

I will precursor this, however by saying that the information which I have uncovered about the Guilds, is not from an era of the D'ni civilization about which we have significant information. However, it is no less vital that we, as Explorers, consider well this information, and what it may portend for our futures...and that of this Cavern.

So, with that preamble out of the way, here goes....

First, Some important dates

Aitrus, father of Ghen, grandfather of Atrus, was born approximately 9313 years after the D'ni Exodus to Earth. This makes the approximate year of the abdication of Kerath, in favour of the Council, 6977. My research, is from the period of time from approx 7104 to 7196.The reason I give these dates is so we have an appropriate framework to help us understand the history of the Guilds. We will see, that there are significant parallels for us, today. Now, remembering the relatively long average lifespan of the D'ni, 7104 was relatively soon after the Council began ruling instead of the King; one, maybe two generations.

Of course, that's human generations, of about 30 years, The D'ni didn't necessarily measure time in such ways, but I want to give the clear picture; the rulership of the Guilds at this time was young, fresh, and in many cases, uncertain.

Now it seems, that when the Council was young, there came a threat to the Cavern. What this threat was, I cannot for sure ascertain...the records I've been using are both unclear, and at times incomplete. It could have been problems with Ages; it could have been seismic activity in the Cavern, or it could have been an invasion.

I do not honestly know.

However, the Guilds were tasked with discovering a solution, that much is clear. Unfortunately, it seems they were not yet ready for such things took nearly forty years for the Council to even agree on a method of discovery!

In that forty years time, many people died, and it seemed, for a time, that Kerath's wisdom was in fact folly, but there was redemption on the horizon. An elder Guildsman, whose name is lost to history, hit upon an idea...one which was to change the face of the Guild Council forever.


I will insert a caveat here; I believe the reason that this Guildsmans name is lost to history, is because there wasn't really a single man who came up with this idea. However, the Council needed, in telling this story, a lightning rod to draw both accolade and criticism. So they invented a 'nameless Guildsman' to be just that; In any case, the idea was this; ask the people. What we might call, a referendum.


Now please, understand how revolutionary this was at this time. The Council, like the King before them, had ruled largely independently of the people. Not that the common D'ni were completely uninvolved, but they had never had a real voice...until this time. The Council (the the guise of this elder Guildsman) had reasoned that since it was the people who were suffering, it should be the people who determined how to end the crisis. So, the Council brought in the people, from the commoners and lay-people, to the highest ranking Guildsman, and some form (the record is not clear) of vote took place. And...well, unfortunately, that's about all I've been able to ascertain about the crisis itself. By the time the records begin to become coherent again, it's nearly 50 years later, and the crisis had apparently been resolved. However, I do have some conclusion, which I will now share.

First, this shows that there was a time, though it was long, long ago, when the Guilds knew how to listen to the people...even (perhaps, though it isn't clear, especially) those who were NOT members of a Guild. It also shows that the Guilds recognized this need very early on in their existence, though it took a mounting crisis to reveal it to them. Further, it illustrates just how far from the original intent the D'ni Guilds had fallen, at the time of the Fall.

Which brings me to my final conclusion, and then I'll start taking questions. We Explorers, should not fear making the Guilds strong, and enduring. We should know that it IS possible for us to have a robust Guild system, and still be attuned to the needs and desires of non-Guild members. And we should know that it has been done before, by men no greater than we ourselves are.

Thank your for your patience and attention friends; I now open the floor to questions, through my dear friends the moderators.[/spoiler]

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THis is very interseting.

Does anyone (I'm thinking some of those of us more learned in the lores of D'ni than I) have any idea what texts etc this research was based on? I'm not criticising it, but I'm curious to know the sources, and how much, if any, is R's interpretation

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I for one am happy to move on with the main message of his sharing without knowing chapter and verse of the historic sources, as it appears that DRC approves of this sharing and therefore they approve the sources..the message is an important one i think at this time, and juncture and we can over time seek the sources but for now I feel it is important to empower and build the Guilds FAST. :) my humble opinion of one.

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...here's a non-chatlog version of reteltee's speech

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Yes,it was interesting.

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