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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:09 am 
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Now that we have all four pods, I have started to actually try and work out the length of day in D'ni terms, from all the data that we now have.

I have got as far as getting a reliable D'ni second, pro-rahn of 1.392 seconds (our time).
But if I work out the total day length from that, I am short of 35 seconds (ourtime) that seems a bit out of place, its like as though the day length isn't 13 pahr-tah-vo.

Have I done anything wrong in my calculation, or is this the real day length with the extra 35 seconds?

I'm working this all out on a strict basis of base 25, as that is slightly easier on my head.
(earth second ratio) 1.392 * 25 * 25 * 5 * 13 + 35 = 56585 earth seconds.

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Use more decimal places...
I created a spreadsheet to investigate the conversions in the clock pamphlet. I decided on a year length close to 365.25 days, and ended up with a pro-rahn equal to about 1.39286 seconds.


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Really? More decimal places.
Gee whiz, well at least I am on the right track then.
I used my calculator to use 56585 and work back, and I came up with a lot of decimal places, surely they (Cyan) wouldn't make it that precise, 3dp should be more than ample.

Just had a go and I get, using your way 56586.04 so something still aint right.

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Also how would a newbie work it out for themselves ACCURATELY?
Also its only 13 pahr tah vo evenly providing that they have the right numbers anyway.
Is it expected that a player sits down in front of a hood clock and actually time with a stopwatch?

I have only one guanteed point of reference, and that being Payiferen, but that alone won't tell me how long a day is.

There must be something else I have missed with the clock and sheet.

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There are a total of thirteen "time zones" alluded to or implied on the pod map. The first number is 13. Then it starts over: 1, 2, 3, 4...

The implication then is that the pod planet has a 13 hour day.

The clock pamphlet clues us in to knowing how long a D'ni hour is in earth terms.

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spdenne wrote:
Use more decimal places...
I created a spreadsheet to investigate the conversions in the clock pamphlet. I decided on a year length close to 365.25 days, and ended up with a pro-rahn equal to about 1.39286 seconds.


We know the exact duration of a D'ni year from a list of new years eve dates and times from RAWA. A D'ni year is close to a Tropical Year of 365.2421 days.

A Pod Day has 56584.8310 seconds base upon my calculation. My program calculates the gates in relation to the gate in Payiferen. I compared a lot of events and used a numeric algorithm average while eliminating large differences from the mean value. I came to offsets of -1.49 for Negilahn, -0.46 for Dereno and + 2.27 for Tetsonot. All offsets are in Partahvotee with 1.39285737931 for a Prorahn.

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Reverend Vader wrote:
The clock pamphlet clues us in to knowing how long a D'ni hour is in earth terms.


The clock pamphlet is horrible off. *g*

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So does that mean that when new player comes across these pods.
Either Negilah or Payiferen and notice that the pods are on the same planet and have a reguar day night cycle.
Noticed that the map was in D'ni time keeping and runs off to a hood with a clock.
Try their darnest to work it out, and maybe get a result of 1.392 as the only logically whole number for the ratio.
Applies it and comes up with a number.
Then apply it to the portal time of appearance.
Waits a couple of weeks when they think the portal will come up that is convienient to them.
Arrives 5 minutes early, and not knowingly missing it.
And goes into an eternal loop of cross checking before giving up and finding a "pod predictor" thus losing their enjoyment.

Is there any other literature within the game that will give them a more accurate calculation?

Thats the question!

Otherwise they will have to wait till the next portal that is convenient to them and assume how many they have missed to get 56585.

Surely there must be a more direct way.

BTW I used tahvo on the sheet as my logical reasoning, which seems sound, but is completely wrong without an accurate point of reference whole number.

Also is it possible that the programmers got the variable type wrong?
IE a float instead of an integer?

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Tiran wrote:
spdenne wrote:
Use more decimal places...
I created a spreadsheet to investigate the conversions in the clock pamphlet. I decided on a year length close to 365.25 days, and ended up with a pro-rahn equal to about 1.39286 seconds.


We know the exact duration of a D'ni year from a list of new years eve dates and times from RAWA. A D'ni year is close to a Tropical Year of 365.2421 days.

A Pod Day has 56584.8310 seconds base upon my calculation. My program calculates the gates in relation to the gate in Payiferen. I compared a lot of events and used a numeric algorithm average while eliminating large differences from the mean value. I came to offsets of -1.49 for Negilahn, -0.46 for Dereno and + 2.27 for Tetsonot. All offsets are in Partahvotee with 1.39285737931 for a Prorahn.

This is what I calculated (I used Excel to keep track of a large number of insignificant digits):

I presumed that the clock pamphlet was accurate in its relationships between different D'ni units, and decided it was not so accurate in the conversions to our units.

I presumed that the D'ni where able to calculate the same year length, and eventually choose that as their hahr.

I was interested in the D'ni day length

I used 1 year = 365.2425 days
(based on leap year calculations: 365 + 1/4 - 1/100 + 1/400)
=8765.82 hours
1 hahr = 290 yahr-tee
8765.82/290 = 30.227
so 1 yahr-tee = 30.227 hours

The pod age map quite clearly indicates 13 somethings.
I would assume they were 13/25th of a yahr, as those (pahr-ta-vo-tee) seem to be the units that the D'ni use to indicate time, as seen in the hood clocks.
= 15.718 hours
= 15 hours, 43 minutes, 5 seconds.

So due to my initial presumptions I ended up with a useful estimate of the day length on that age.


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spdenne wrote:
The pod age map quite clearly indicates 13 somethings.


There are arrow marks around the great circle marked out with the time zones or whatever, each section has 4, except for the one between the 13 and the 1. Could this mean that it's actually 13 and a bit somethings, rather than 13 somethings?

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13 D'ni hours works for the portal to portal period.


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I confirmed 13 D'ni hours by peeping into the encrypted files.

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Tiran wrote:
I confirmed 13 D'ni hours by peeping into the encrypted files.

Yes, but the time in the log file is a whole integer, where as the real time after conversion is about 0.2 out, it would seem as though a shortcut was taken and put a ceiling on that number to make it an integer.
Thus adding more unnescesary confusion to an already confusing puzzle.

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Grogyan, I think you're looking at things the wrong way round. 13 whole D'ni hours was the starting point.


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Grogyan wrote:
Really? More decimal places.
Gee whiz, well at least I am on the right track then.
I used my calculator to use 56585 and work back, and I came up with a lot of decimal places, surely they (Cyan) wouldn't make it that precise, 3dp should be more than ample.

Just had a go and I get, using your way 56586.04 so something still aint right.



Ever hear of a little thing called leap year? If we can't get, our own time correct why should we worry about a few seconds on a mythical world?


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